christcorp
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Re: Switching to Qwest DSL - firewall & modem questions
Whatever....
If the average person reading the posts in this forum can't derive from the syntax that the little plastic boxes that Qwest "Approves" has a modem and a router built into that little plastic box, then maybe they have no business dealing with DSL technology. If people can't deal contextually with the terminology here, then they are definitely in trouble.
Simply put; You can get a Qwest Approved "Plastic Box" that has a modem and router inside of it; or you can get an unapproved "Plastic Box" that only has a modem in it. In which case you will need a separate "Plastic Box" that has a router in it to authenticate your user name and password via PPPOE and to connect your computer to. Or you can authenticate directly with your computer. In which case you don't need the 2nd "Plastic Box".
Hopefully this isn't to technical for some, and not too condescending to others. Have to make sure we stay politically correct here and not offend anyone. Later... Mike... |
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AthlGrond
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said by DavidPauls :
christcorp
Hate to have to agree with the previous poster but she/he is correct. A DSL modem does not have a router built in it. Hey! I was the one who started the whole "all DSL modem's include routers" discussion, not Mike.
I stand corrected, by both you and the previous poster, thank you both for the correction(s). 
So: Not all modems have to have routers, just all of the ones Qwest currently support do.
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christcorp
Hate to have to agree with the previous poster but she/he is correct. A DSL modem does not have a router built in it. The correct terminology is "DSL modem/router combination" or "Router with DSL modem interface" or something similar. As far as I can find on Qwest's page they have not approved any DSL modems. They have approved some DSL Modem/Router combination devices. When discussing technology is pays to be accurate and not adopt the sloppiness shown by more and more marketing departments. You avoid confusion.
I did notice in the the quote from the GT701 document that the Marketing department at Qwest has taken over that document to its detriment. Hopefully that quote is not from the technical documentation for the GT701.
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christcorp
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If you had read the earlier posts, you would have seen where all Qwest approved modems ALSO have built in routers. By putting the "Device", because our terminology is conflicting here, into transparent bridge mode, you bypass ALL router functions and thus have just a plain old dumb modem. The modem will not authenticate your user name or password. It will do nothing more than transcribe the dsl signal. You then must have a separate router that will be able to authenticate via PPPOE. That is where you will put in your user name and password.
As far as PPPOE not always being available, that is true. While we are on the topic of using proper terminology, let's just say that PPPOE isn't always available as an option. As far as qwest is concerned, PPPOE is NEVER SUPPORTED. It may work, but they DON'T support it. In other words, if you are having a problem with you connection, and call qwest, they will ask you about the modem and it's PPPOA authentication. When you mention that it's in transparent bridge mode and that you are authenticating via pppoe on an external router, you might as well just hand up with them. They will tell you that they won't support that configuration. Doesn't mean you can't use it, just that they aren't going to help you.
Hopefully now the terminology is in the same playing field and everyone understands. Later... Mike.... |
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