Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26
1 edit | reply to XknightHawkX
Re: US wouldn't have the most
YAWN. Another months old statistics rant comparing us to all the little BF countries that dont compare to a gnat on our ass in size. |
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BonezX
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join:2004-04-13
Canada
| said by Fatal Vector  :YAWN. Another monts old statistics rant comparing us to all the little BF countries that dont compare to a gnat on our ass in size. Japan > USA population
Canada > USA landmass
Korea > USA population |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
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Yawn? Umm, your argument doesn't hold any water. If you add up the population density of all the countries ahead of the US, you will find that on average, they share the same density. Hell, 20% of the US is alaska, which has a population density of 1 person per sq mile. Take out alaska, and the US has an AVERAGE density of 100 people per sq mile. Fully HALF the countries that exceed us have population densities WAY lower than the US.
The problem is that the 'free market', in this case, isn't working in the consumers best interest. If we had a SANE national broadband policy, like our electric policy, 99% of the US would be wired for fiber. The problem, as you can read in many stories, is that the megacorps are too short sighted and greedy to recognize it. The fat cat CEO's are only interested in next quarters numbers, so they can cash in their stock options, and get rich, while the other 95% of the country get's poorer and dumber.
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RadioDoc
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Japan and Korea have higher population than the US?
In case you slept through those classes...
Japan: 127,463,611 (2006 estimate)
Korea: 47,278,951 (Nov 2005 estimate)
USA: 298,444,215 (2006 estimate)
Canada: 32,889,598 (Oct 2006 estimate)
Now, what was your point again?
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PoloDude
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1 edit | reply to BonezX
Japan Population: 127,463,611 (July 2006 est.)
USA Population: 298,444,215 (July 2006 est.)
Canada Population: 33,098,932 (July 2006 est.)
South Korea Population: 48,846,823 (July 2006 est.)
Canada Area - Land: 9,093,507 SQ KM
USA Area - Land: 9,161,923 SQ KM
Japan Area - Land: 374,744 SQ KM
South Korea Area - Land: 98,190 SQ KM
You have it backwards
*** i was replying to Bonezx |
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RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11 | reply to karlmarx
The fat cat CEOs are reacting to the stockholders, who demand short-term results. Who are the stockholders? Us....
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sitrix
join:2002-04-15
Tacoma, WA
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When it comes to population, he really blew it... Now, land might be a little different story according to Wikipedia... »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co···_by_area |
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maartena
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said by Fatal Vector :YAWN. Another monts old statistics rant comparing us to all the little BF countries that dont compare to a gnat on our ass in size. First off, CANADA is beating us in broadband penetrations, and last time I checked its actually bigger then the United States, and people are living a lot more spread out.
Second, it still does not explain that even in very dense populated areas, like Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, etc... the average DSL connection is still 1.5 Mbps down, 384 Kbps up.
Its mostly a political and financial issue. Its not that the U.S. cannot do it, but it just doesn't want to fund it. There are government subsidies for broadband in most European countries and in Canada which really help in pushing broadband. Those countries also happen to have..... oooh, trivial things like national health insurance and affordable (sometimes even free) public transport. The United States rather spends 1 billion dollars a week on a war that we can't seem to win, and doesn't want to spend the money on getting broadband out to the less populated areas.
The big telco's aren't spending the money because they won't be making a whole lot, and it will take many more years to pay off the initial investment made.
Bottom line: U.S. doesn't subsidize broadband, and therefore it doesn't get done.
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blueeyesm
join:2003-09-05
Waterloo, ON | reply to sitrix
I was gonna say - since when did the U.S. gain landmass?
I've enough citizens there to see they are gaining more body mass than us though  |
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blueeyesm
join:2003-09-05
Waterloo, ON
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said by maartena :Its mostly a political and financial issue. Its not that the U.S. cannot do it, but it just doesn't want to fund it. There are government subsidies for broadband in most European countries and in Canada which really help in pushing broadband. Those countries also happen to have..... oooh, trivial things like national health insurance and affordable (sometimes even free) public transport. The United States rather spends 1 billion dollars a week on a war that we can't seem to win, and doesn't want to spend the money on getting broadband out to the less populated areas. The downside to having broadband subsidized, national health care and affordable transit is having higher taxes across the board on goods, services, land transfer fees, etc.
C'est la vie. |
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RadioDoc
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The real reason is that most people don't see the need to have a gigabit fiber connection welded to their anus. A slower (and much cheaper) connection suits them just fine.
This is not a dick measuring contest.
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richardpor
Fur it up
join:2003-04-19
Portland, OR
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Better yet because some of us believe broadband is a choice and not a right. We have choice in the US we can seek the internet connection of our choice be it Dial up, 768K DSL to megabit rate broadband. We do not need a self-righteous geek to force one high-speed solution down our throats then leave us with the bill. Beside the way Government funded Muni WI-FI is going these days we probably will not be 15 perhaps not in the top 20 if we turn broadband over to a government planed and subsidized socialistic entitlement. |
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| reply to maartena
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First off, CANADA is beating us in broadband penetrations, and last time I checked its actually bigger then the United States, and people are living a lot more spread out.
And someone's gonna say, "but most Canadians live in a dense zone within 100 miles of the southern border. That's why they have broadband". Well, I'll beat them to it and provide the counter-argument fist. "Dense" in a relative sense. The southern portion of Canada is "dense" in the sense that it's like the lower 48 US States. Most of Canada is like Alaska.
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Bottom line: U.S. doesn't subsidize broadband, and therefore it doesn't get done.
I wouldn't say that's the reason. The U.S. doesn't have higher broadband availability because there is no policy to make it so. The Powers That Be stick to the story that laissez faire, 100% hands-off policy is the best, despite all the evidence to the contrary. We have near 100% electricity availability, but there's no gov't subsidy to make it happen. The countries that are big in broadband mostly do it through private means and government incentives, not strictly public means. |
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
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said by richardpor :Better yet because some of us believe broadband is a choice and not a right. What you think is irrelevant. We already had that debate, and Congress decided in 1996 that broadband should be available to all in a timely manner (available, not paid-for; i.e., like electricity). |
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dynodb
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Minneapolis, MN
1 edit | reply to karlmarx
said by karlmarx :Yawn? Umm, your argument doesn't hold any water. If you add up the population density of all the countries ahead of the US, you will find that on average, they share the same density. Hell, 20% of the US is alaska, which has a population density of 1 person per sq mile. Take out alaska, and the US has an AVERAGE density of 100 people per sq mile. Fully HALF the countries that exceed us have population densities WAY lower than the US. You once again prove the adage that "Figures never lie, but liars always figure".
Many of those other countries also have large areas that are nearly uninhabited as well, so to exclude Alaska without excluding areas like northern Canada or other sparcely populated regions of other countries is either dishonest or ignorant... probably both in your case. |
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RadioDoc
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said by PDXPLT : We have near 100% electricity availability, but there's no gov't subsidy to make it happen. I guess the REA is just a figment of FDR's imagination.
By the way, to get electric service to a place more than a couple hundred feet from an existing power line, you pay through the ass. Most people are not willing to pay the construction cost to extend fiber to their house in order to get 100 megabit/second Internet.
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hayabusa3303
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| reply to blueeyesm
said by blueeyesm :I was gonna say - since when did the U.S. gain landmass? I think that would be Iraq you could add. lmfao |
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mr weather
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Mississauga, ON
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Yabbut just think of all the pr0n you could download at that speed!
The whole intarweb =/= utility is starting to get fuzzy. A number of government agencies in Canada offer certain services exclusively through the 'web.
To wit, you can file for your passport electronically up until the final step of handing the friendly civil servant behind the counter at your local passport office your proof of citizenship and photos. They will have a record of your application being filed online and you get to jump the queue in a BIG way.
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Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26
4 edits | reply to maartena
"First off, CANADA is beating us in broadband penetrations, and last time I checked its actually bigger then the United States, and people are living a lot more spread out."
The canadian government has mandated broadband penetration to the entire occupied areas of the country, including rural and BF towna and is helping pay for it. Canada is about the same goegraphical size as the US, but it's population is mainly clustered in the southern part along the US border. A large portion in the north is uninhabited or inacessable because of mountains, glaciers, etc.
1.5 Mb DSL suits me fine, just as it does most other people. The number of people that actually NEED faster connections, for whatever reason, is small compared to the whole consumer base.
The US isn't europe. As you might remember we fought a long war to throw off the european yoke and go our own way. Just ask canadians what they think of their national health care system. Or, the British. Americans dont want to ride on buses with plastic seats and young punks. The only ones that ride public transport in this country are those that have no other choice and schoolkids.
Never mind that riding the bus anywhere is a royal pain in the ass, assuming, of course, that you have access in the first place and can afford $2 each way and a extra .25 for a transfer, or, can afford to waste up to an hour waiting for each one...
We can afford the money in Iraq. It is in our long term interests to spend it. In any case, the government sure as hell wouldn't spend it on deploying broadband to the countryside.
Besides which, Canada was not one of the "BF" little countries I was referring to in my original comment, even though, on a population comparison basis, it is about 10% of what we are. |
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satellite68
join:2007-04-11
Louisville, KY
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We can afford the money in Iraq. It is in our long term interests to spend it. In any case, the government sure as hell wouldn't spend it on deploying broadband to the countryside.
Says you! Have ya looked at the polls lately? Seems like that position is in the minority. Even the shitspigot Fox News polls show a majority of Americans don't agree with that ascertation. State of denial indeed.
So when the government spent money on rural electricity, that was a bad thing? I'm forgetting something here-oh right, the government who taxes us is supposed to be (gasp) making life better here and not in Baghdad. That's their friggin' problem.
Now, you can spout off all day about how the terrahists and the evil Muslims of the world are hell bent on killing us-and I'd say "No shit! What a news flash!" |
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