 CootClick To UndressPremium
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Not Here | And Now, for Something Really New--We Hope This page contains a scanned image of an Antwerp newspaper that claims a new compression/file system is in the works that allows you to put 20 DVD movies on a single CDR. I've IM'd Starfish to alert him to this thread so that a more thorough translation can be made with the possibility of tracking this down further. If this is for real, it is really big news.
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 ARPremium,ExMod 2001-04
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Toronto, ON | 20 movies into one CD-R???????
Original dvd movies or divx ones? MPAA is going to kill this technology, take my word on it.
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 shakaSwimming With SharksPremium
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AtTheBeach | It doesn't matter if it is Divx or DVD that is still a lot. |
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ARPremium,ExMod 2001-04
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Toronto, ON | I want 20 real Dvds on a CD-R |
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Vancouver, BC | Now if they could put 20 games onto one CD-R... |
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Schofield, WI | ...i would have more space in my room.  |
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CootClick To UndressPremium
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Not Here | reply to AR
MPAA probably already has a price on this guy's head, but if it is a legitimate file allocation and storage system, I don't know how they'll stop it unless they can bar his playback software.
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 StarfishPer Ardua Ad AstraExMod 2002-04
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I'll translate this article ASAP today
If true this (according to the article) can do more then 20 DVD movies on a single CDR!
(And he'll become a billionair)
Stay tuned!
Here it is!
Man from Antwerp demonstrates code with unlimited possibilities
Twenty DVD-Movies on a single CD-ROM
His representative calls him MacGuyver and even compares him to the not-understood astronomer Galileo. Fact is that this inhabitant of Antwerp Guillaume Defosse developed a system -,, no, don't call it compression'' - which makes it possible for him to write 20 DVD-movies on a single CD-ROM to name one thing. All of this without loss of quality. ingenious! "first see, then believe", we thought.
By Marc Coppens - Antwerp
The name Defosse will probably not sound familiar to many people. Exceptions may be musiclovers, because Defosse composes Acid Techno music and his work is appreciated very much in the DJ-world. The 47-year old man from Antwerp is auto-didactic (sp?) and has been fascinated by computers for already 20 years.
Four years ago he wanted to put all his CD's on ONE cd. This turned out to be the beginning of DGS (Defosse Digital System). DGS is a digital language that makes it possible to process data, sound and video in such a way that it can be stored and send in a efficient way. Defosse showed us a few usages. We could not discover any fraud or attempts to deceive us by the demonstration of the following usages:
Unlimited Photo Zoom:
We start using a photograph of 3 by 3 centimeter. In a photocentrum (sp? /place specialized in working with photographs) it was impossible to zoom in 2000 times and maintaining an acceptable quality. Defosse however seems to be able to do this (without loss of quality!) Using his technique, a A3-color-printer, a scissor and tape. He resised a photo that we did bring along a few thousand times in just a few minutes time. The file is just 19 MB and Defosse even dares to say he can bring that back to about 500 KB.
20 DVD's on 1 CD-R:
Twenty DVD's can fit on a single CD-ROM. On a single CD-ROM it's possible to store about 650 MB of information. In some cases it can be a little more. One DVD can store from 4,7 to 8,5 GB. Defosse shows us a DVD-movie he shrunk to an unbelievable 30 MB. A quick calculation tells us that you could easily store 20 DVD's on a single CD-R.
Video and Audio on a single floppy:
A single floppy has a capacity of 1,44 MB. Normally it's not really possible to store a movie on it. Defosse however managed to save a movie of about 8 minutes (a report of the WTC-disaster) on a floppy. The sound ik ok; the video via Windows Media Player is acceptable. "Using a specific player (for my system) you'll get half an hour of TV full-screen on your floppy" he assures us.
According to his representative Jan Franck the interest in Defosse's invention has become very great. Audio- and movie-files of limited size offer enormous possibilities. "Especially regarding the transmission". Thanks to DGS it would become very easy to send video over UMTS (3rd generation mobile phones which become available in late 2002.
The photographs shows a photo enlarged 2000 times. On the left you see the perfect result of Guillaume Defosse. On the right side you see the result of a specialized company.
It took me a less time then I'd expected, but I hope this brings some clarity
./Starfish -translate
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StarfishPer Ardua Ad AstraExMod 2002-04
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Wow. This is very intriguing...
If this isn't a hoax, it certainly presents an incredible breakthrough in data storage technology. Although that article is rather fuzzy about the implemention details of DGS, it sounds like is some sort of algorithm (it would seem hardly possible, but one must keep an open mind) since filesizes were mentioned, and the technology apparently applies to both floppy and CD-R media, which are very different physically.
There should have been papers published about it somewhere...
I can't seem to find any other references to it, which is odd, considering that the author apparently has commercial interests for this. Also, I'm not clear on exactly how the "publicity stunt" with the the colour-copied photo was performed (wouldn't he have had to scan it at some point in order to save it as a file?).
Oh, and since this is apparently a matter of software, rather than hardware, maybe this thread should be moved to the Software forum.
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Re: And Now, for Something Really New--We Hope .
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WOW.
If Riaa doesn't manage to squash this, looks like we'll really have something here -
Imagine what this means to a 20 Gig hard drive.... we'll be into terrabyte HDs soon.
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 wmjsnPremium
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Hillsboro, OR | reply to Coot
Oh I hope this actually works. That'd be pretty nice to fit 20+ DVD's on a cd-r. I wonder how long the process takes though. I'd hate to get excited over something that takes a day and a half to do so I wind up spending a month compressing everything just to put it on a cd-r. Oh well. It could revitalize my piracy career become a useful backup for everyone. Hopefully the RIAA and MPAA won't get in the way.
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 DoobyPremium
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I've raked the news and haven't found anything at all about this. Surely if it was a confirmed advancement in technology, especially to this degree, it should be all over the news.
The implications of this, should it be real, would be astounding!
I am definitely going to keep an eye out.
I hope its real.. I hope its real.. I hope..;)
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You guys are so funny. If it was not november this would be a clear aprill fools joke.
lets say 25 fps on a 2 hour movie.
25 x 2 hours or 7200 seconds = 180000 frames
30mb or 31457280 bytes divided by 180000 frames yields aprox 174.762667 BYTES per frame. Sure the diff in many frames are not much but GEE WIZ we are talking about no loss and does this include sound? Would that be a 80 or 90 minute cd? Or maybe it is one of the 500000 minute cd's.
What is next? This guy is going to invent a hard drive that can store 10^10^10 bytes?
For those not in the know 10^10^10 = 10^(10^10)= 10^10000000000= 10 with enough little zeros to circle the earth.
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 MrMasterjetsetterPremium
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St Thomas, VI | reply to Coot
It wasn't very techinical and neither was the paper interviewing this guy.
Also, if you made such an amazing discovery like this. Wouldn't you ask some major profile media giants to cover this? |
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CootClick To UndressPremium
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Not Here | reply to Coot
It's not looking too good, I was only able to uncover one other reference at the Atwerp Gazet from February 2001. Same claims, and nothing else seems to show up. I'll dig a little more, but hey, it was late last night when I posted this 
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Sounds like a hoax but....could this be fractal compression?
The description of "unlimited photo zoom" sounds like a demo I saw many (~10) years ago on TV: by applying a fractal algorithm to a photograph, the TV presenter was able to zoom in thousands of times and still have a sharp image. Of course, the resulting image wasn't real since they'd zoomed in beyond the grain of the original photo.... |
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 AuthorityObama Biden '12
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Woodland Hills, CA | reply to Coot
I would like to point our that the RIAA has never had any issues with compression technology. While I don't believe this article - even for a second - if it *were* true the RIAA would have no issue.
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And then you wake up This is clearly BS. Information theory shows there are mathematical limits to lossless compressibility, and even 16X lossless compression of a random audio cd is easily shown to be impossible. Impossible here does not mean extremely difficult or beyond current technologies, it means not possible, ever, and don't bother dreaming about it.
I'm not saying that it's impossible to compress a 2-hour DVD movie to 30MB with decent quality, but as Freezone points out that gives an average of less than 175 bytes per video frame and there's no way this can be done losslessly. |
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Re: And Now, for Something Really New--We Hope Can you say Urban Legend? This may or may not exist, but at this point in time neither does a patent in the search I've done. |
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