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2 edits |  More colleges should do this
And it will also help keep the university's network costs under control as well. The RIAA may have just given them the excuse they needed to keep their network costs from spiraling ever higher.
And it will still be there for those with a legitimate need.
Although P2P file-sharing can sometimes be used for legitimate reasons, any use of P2P software on the campus network may result in Internet access being disabled under this new policy. Individuals who need to use P2P software for legitimate purposes can discuss their needs with the IT Service Desk. Here is the University's FAQ on the subject:
»technology.ohio.edu/help/blocked-faq.html
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join:2005-11-26 | I am guessing that it will be fairly difficult to block P2P. There is always some kind of a workaround.
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The University of Connecticut all did this earlier this year. They set up packet header sniffing devices on the edge of the network to inspect each packet header. Unfortunately for them it just gave all the geeks on the campus an excuse to talk to all the hot girls on how they could still download their favorite episode of "Grey's Anatomy" via enabling the encryption on there favorite bit torrent. Of course there were more modifications than that but I'll leave you to your imagination. |
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| said by osrk  :Unfortunately for them it just gave all the geeks on the campus an excuse to talk to all the hot girls on how they could still download their favorite episode of "Grey's Anatomy" via enabling the encryption on there favorite bit torrent. Maybe the university blocking P2P is a good thing then  |
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Re: More colleges should do this
said by TKJunkMail :The RIAA may have just given them the excuse they needed to keep their network costs from spiraling ever higher. .
I don't see where the uni would need an excuse, it's their network. If bandwidth per application exceeds normalcy and average, they can kill it simply due to burden cost. It's their call on their network.
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join:2003-06-28 | If true, i'm assuming that they used the RIAA as a scapegoat of sorts to stop people from screaming at them. Making a problem somebody else's problem is a better excuse than "we don't have the money for your downloading habits" I think. |
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Re: This will not matter
You mean VPNing through a non-uni relay to hide P2P traffic? |
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| said by patcat88 :You mean VPNing through a non-uni relay to hide P2P traffic? No any sort of encryption no matter how weak will get by these devices. Torpark and the standard encryption on bittorrent easily gets by these devices and allows people to use bittorrent again.
This is more like a facade than anything, it will have no lasting impact. |
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Re: More colleges should do this
Er...most colleges already do port-block most P2P services, even at the cost of legitimate file transfers. For instance, using BT to grab a copy of OpenOffice behind the university is really a no-go (unless I like the trickle of ~2kbps!).
Its the university's network, and so its their rules as to how users can access the internet. |
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Don't block the technology, block the illegal use of it. I'm incredibly disappointed by this decision. |
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1 edit | said by yock :Don't block the technology, block the illegal use of it. I'm incredibly disappointed by this decision. They are. If you have a legitimate use for it, then you can speak with IT and have the block removed.
And before you say "they should go after the offenders, rather than requiring the legitimates to request unblocking," just think of the logistics. If 99.99% of the population of the university uses p2p illegally, and 0.005% can use something besides p2p to do their work, then unblocking for the other 0.005% of the people who REQUIRE p2p would not be hard at all. |
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said by osrk :said by patcat88 :You mean VPNing through a non-uni relay to hide P2P traffic? No any sort of encryption no matter how weak will get by these devices. Torpark and the standard encryption on bittorrent easily gets by these devices and allows people to use bittorrent again. This is more like a facade than anything, it will have no lasting impact. They will just go after those workstations exhibiting massive amounts of traffic. They will get them even if they use encryption to try and hide. Nothing the students do will hide the amount of traffic generated by P2P.
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said by brandon :said by yock :Don't block the technology, block the illegal use of it. I'm incredibly disappointed by this decision. They are. If you have a legitimate use for it, then you can speak with IT and have the block removed. I fundamentally oppose assumption of guilt, so we'll just have to agree to disagree on that point.And before you say "they should go after the offenders, rather than requiring the legitimates to request unblocking," just think of the logistics. If 99.99% of the population of the university uses p2p illegally, and 0.005% can use something besides p2p to do their work, then unblocking for the other 0.005% of the people who REQUIRE p2p would not be hard at all.
Sounds like the offenders should be easy to find, if they'd try.
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1 edit | said by yock :Sounds like the offenders should be easy to find, if they'd try. That's like saying that the offenders in a soccer riot are easy to find. Of course they are. It's finding the innocents that is difficult, and a monumental waste of time. Better to throw them all out, and let the innocents plead not guilty.
It's not necessarily an assumption of guilt if you allow the ability to argue your side. Otherwise we'd never arrest anyone without having a trial first because that would be assuming they were guilty, right? |
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| If I were a student at OU and I wanted to download the latest release of something (Linux ISO, OpenOffice, etc.) via BitTorrent, I would first have to gain approval from the University. This is absolutely unacceptable. I haven't done a damn thing wrong, yet my innocence is being punished because of unscrupulous peers, a heavy-handed school administration, and a powerful Washington lobby.
People have completely lost sight of what it means to fight the good fight, and will simply take the path of least resistance because it's just easier. Well wake up, it isn't easier for everyone, and the people you're making it hard for are the people who follow the rules. That isn't right, it never will be right, and it should be appalling to reasonable people.
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| said by yock :If I were a student at OU and I wanted to download the latest release of something (Linux ISO, OpenOffice, etc.) via BitTorrent, I would first have to gain approval from the University. They can download that same software using FTP or HTTP protocols.
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by yock :If I were a student at OU and I wanted to download the latest release of something (Linux ISO, OpenOffice, etc.) via BitTorrent, I would first have to gain approval from the University. They can download that same software using FTP or HTTP protocols. Which during initial release slow to a trickle.
Tell me something, how does this differ from any other debate which surrounds the control of technology to control behavior? Why does it make sense to ban p2p to prevent piracy, but banning guns to prevent violent crime is folly?
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said by TKJunkMail :said by osrk :said by patcat88 :You mean VPNing through a non-uni relay to hide P2P traffic? No any sort of encryption no matter how weak will get by these devices. Torpark and the standard encryption on bittorrent easily gets by these devices and allows people to use bittorrent again. This is more like a facade than anything, it will have no lasting impact. They will just go after those workstations exhibiting massive amounts of traffic. They will get them even if they use encryption to try and hide. Nothing the students do will hide the amount of traffic generated by P2P. But the question then is, are you required to give up your encryption keys ALA 1984 to "show" you arent guilty of a crime? Or is plausible deniability and 4th amendment still legal in USA?
Egh, you can always say your rendering your powerpoint presentation over a cluster with the "RAM" of the CPU being accessed over the internet (plenty of traffic I think). |
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said by yock :If I were a student at OU and I wanted to download the latest release of something (Linux ISO, OpenOffice, etc.) via BitTorrent, I would first have to gain approval from the University. You also have to get a license to drive. Your point? |
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| Driving requires training, as you can kill people when you operate a vehicle improperty. I dont' think the same could be said of BitTorrent...
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