woody7
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Torrance, CA | reply to TechieZero
Re: Corps
It should be a "bush" bash who is asking for this? If the Dems pass this it will be a "Dem" bash too.....I could be wrong, but I thought it was against the constitution to pass laws to cover crimes "retroactively"?
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nixen
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| said by woody7  :It should be a "bush" bash who is asking for this? If the Dems pass this it will be a "Dem" bash too.....I could be wrong, but I thought it was against the constitution to pass laws to cover crimes "retroactively"? What gave you the impression that this group of wannabe-fascists cares about some tupid piece of paper?
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justaguy
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I believe you are referring to 'ex post facto' laws. Or laws that are made after the fact.
It IS unconstitutional to pass a law to make an action illegal, and then prosecute those who committed the actions while it was legal.
I am almost 100% sure that it is NOT unconstitutional to make something legal, and then effectively offer a pardon for such an action. |
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | That's correct. In this case they aren't making spying on Americans legal, of course if they can pardon corps everytime then it's effectively legal. Be sure to vote out your representative if they let Verizon and ATT get away with it. |
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pnh102
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said by woody7 :If the Dems pass this it will be a "Dem" bash too..... Nah... The Democrat party will never be held liable for this sort of thing. No one ever disses Clinton for signing the DMCA into law or for Carnivore or for the Clipper Chip proposal.
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forgotpassagain
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You don't even know what a fascist is. How about you learn the definition of a term before you start painting people with it. I don't even care if you are wrong - just know the basic definition of the insult you are using.
said by nixen :said by woody7 :It should be a "bush" bash who is asking for this? If the Dems pass this it will be a "Dem" bash too.....I could be wrong, but I thought it was against the constitution to pass laws to cover crimes "retroactively"? What gave you the impression that this group of wannabe-fascists cares about some tupid piece of paper? |
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BIGMIKE
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Westminster, CA
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said by woody7 :It should be a "bush" bash who is asking for this? If the Dems pass this it will be a "Dem" bash too.....I could be wrong, but I thought it was against the constitution to pass laws to cover crimes "retroactively"? What Constitution?
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TheWickerMan
join:2002-04-09
Enola, PA
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said by pnh102 : Nah... The Democrat party will never be held liable for this sort of thing. No one ever disses Clinton for signing the DMCA into law or for Carnivore or for the Clipper Chip proposal. Don't be so sure. I lurked here for a couple years before I ever registered, and I remember several pre-Bush threads, which got a bit heated, about all three of the topics you mentioned.
I can't stand Bush myself, but that doesn't mean I think Clinton was a saint either. No politicians are. |
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woody7
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forget the 'bush' bash,This is getting to be a free for all 
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ross
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said by forgotpassagain :
You don't even know what a fascist is. How about you learn the definition of a term before you start painting people with it. I don't even care if you are wrong - just know the basic definition of the insult you are using.
He said "wannabe-fascist". However, I also consider them fascista. The suspension of Habeas Corpus, the USA Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, the bypassing of judicial oversight in the area of wholesale warrantless search and seizure, wire-tapping under CALEA and other domestic spy programs, suppression of political dissent, rigging of elections, illegal and unprovoked war and economic aggression against other sovereign states to seize their natural resources are the earmarks of of the fascist state.
If you don't think Bush is a neo-fascist, prove it! I say you are doomed to fail, as Bush has repeatedly demonstrated that he has taken that path. Any civil liberty you presume to exist has been removed by the numerous unconstitutional legislative acts passed at Bush's direction by his eager minions, executive orders issued by the dixie-fuhrer himself, and sustained by the obsequious Justice Department and Judicial Branch he and other right-wingers have appointed to ravage the founding documents, which Bush refers to, if at all, as just scraps of paper.
If there were a worse, more vile descriptive term for what the Bush criminal cabal is, and has done, I would gladly use it as well. Until then, FASCIST will do nicely. |
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guitarzan
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said by forgotpassagain :
You don't even know what a fascist is. How about you learn the definition of a term before you start painting people with it. I don't even care if you are wrong - just know the basic definition of the insult you are using. Here is the definition of a fascist.
»Re: Bound to happen
Since I do not want to be accused of spamming these boards, there is the definition of a fascist.
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Freezone
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Southfield, MI | reply to BIGMIKE
The one everyone swears to defend just before they send it through the shredder. |
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