93254336
Weapons Of Masturbation
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| De-emphasizing quoted text in forum threads I don't like the new feature of de-emphasizing quoted text in forum threads... the light grey text very difficult to read.
Change to enable/disable as a user pref. Better yet: allow the user to select the color of quoted text to whatever he/she wants.
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ghostpainter
I Write for the Apocalypse
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clubs: | Re: De-emphasizing quoted text in forum threads It appears light yellow in my Firefox browser...I like
**APPROVE** of change | |
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BF69
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| Re: De-emphasizing quoted text in forum threads said by ghostpainter  :It appears light yellow in my Firefox browser...I like **APPROVE** of change It's light yellow in IE 7 and this is new. | |
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Gizy
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clubs: | Re: De-emphasizing quoted text in forum threads Sorry, but it's (still) light grey and on the default theme, it's very hard to read. | |
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justin
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: De-emphasizing quoted text in forum threads you probably have the old style sheet in the cache.. | |
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Gizy
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clubs: | Re: De-emphasizing quoted text in forum threads Maybe so. With all the changes going on tonight, I think I'm just going to wait a bit til the dust settles. | |
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93254336
Weapons Of Masturbation
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join:2001-10-20 | How about an option to turn it on or off?
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Johnny
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Atlanta, GA | It looks fine to me.
Now if quoted text in ignored anons just wouldn't show up...  | |
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DracoFelis
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| said by 93254336 :I don't like the new feature of de-emphasizing quoted text in forum threads... the light grey text very difficult to read. And is that yellow background (for quoted text) new as well? I find it very hard/stressful on the eyes. Ouch! | |
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ghostpainter
I Write for the Apocalypse
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clubs: | Re: De-emphasizing quoted text in forum threads I guess I am the only one who likes it.  | |
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Grail Knight
Who Dares Wins
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join:2003-05-31 | I like it also. 
A nice light shade of yellow in Fx. | |
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OZO
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| I'd really appreciate if BBR will keep contrast of the font to its maximum and use color "#000000;" instead of "#3F3F3F;".
Recently I've noticed that font in <bquote> is now getting worse and it makes reading of the small font even more difficult (and why it sould be this way?). It's good that I've found this thread, otherwise I'd open it myself
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ghostpainter
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1 edit | Re: De-emphasizing quoted text in forum threads I think it depends on your settings and the browser you are using...If I come in on IE, everything looks different than if I came in using my regular browser which is the new version of Firefox 2.0.0.3
Mozilla is no longer supported so if people are using the old Mozilla that might be a problem. | |
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Gizy
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| Re: De-emphasizing quoted text in forum threads It is most definitely dependent on your theme and your browser.
I was allowing the site to use the default themes for each of the forums I visit (made it easier for me to remember which one I was in) and some of them it was still too difficult to read. I changed to the theme to the DImaging theme and it's fine now.
Guess I'm finally getting old, or at least my eyes are
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Mele20
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| This change to yellow, makes the quote almost unreadable on my LCD as it makes the contrast (which is already badly lacking on an LCD) almost nil. Contrarily, it is garishly bright on my CRT monitor and makes my eyes water and sting.
Are you saying my problem is due to my using the Canadian Theme with Firefox and SeaMonkey? Are you saying I have to change the theme I love and have used for close to SIX YEARS to something else just to get rid of that yellow? That doesn't seem right. I love the Canadian theme. Isn't there some other option to just turn off that yellow? If not then what is similar to the Canadian theme with Red (I love red) but won't have that yellow that I can't read? Why was it changed anyway? I had no trouble reading the forums before (other than the ordinary problems caused by all LCDs and my CRT was fabulous here until now with the garishly over bright yellow).
From the comments here, I gather the color depends not only on the dslr theme used but also on the type of monitor used and the particular video card? I have a ATI card on the computer that uses the CRT monitor with the very garish bright yellow. I have a nVidia card on the computer using the LCD monitor with the pale yellow and practically no contrast.
I see no difference in the color based on which browser is used (IE and Opera are the same as Fx and SeaMonkey). The difference is due to the type of monitor and the video card. So, for some this is probably a very nice change but for others it is very bad. Could we have a way to just turn it off so I could keep my Canadian theme? And those who find it useful can enjoy it.
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sashwa
Pixie Cat Crunchin' n Foldin'
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clubs: | Re: De-emphasizing quoted text in forum threads I just tried the dark theme with IE and I saw what you see, La Luna. | |
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justin
Australian
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Brooklyn, NY | The (very) light background yellow is in the default theme, not the others. If someone says that it is unreadable, post a screenshot to demonstrate this. | |
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justin
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: De-emphasizing quoted text in forum threads Maybe I need to borrow your eyes because I don't see from that screen-shot why the contrast between almost-black and almost-white is insufficient to read the text! | |
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| said by justin :Maybe I need to borrow your eyes because I don't see from that screen-shot why the contrast between almost-black and almost-white is insufficient to read the text! Why to create a problem when it's easy avoidable?
You don't need to borrow anything. If people post about it here - it means they have noticed it and it bothers them.
Is there any valuable reason to push reduced contrast on them? Let us know.
We all have different vision, different monitors. Mine, e.g. has 133 DPI and you know what it means. It's not a fun to read smaller then normal font with reduced contrast. Personally, I do not have problem with yellowish background (I guess you need it if you want to get rid from side borders), but it's noticeably worse for me to see a gray (color: #3F3F3F;) text on it and not a plain black one.
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join:2000-05-11 | It's perfectly readable for me at 1024x768/32 bit on a 14" laptop LCD using all default themes. WinXP Pro SP2 and Firefox 2.0.0.3 and no extensions.
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| Re: De-emphasizing quoted text in forum threads I have my monitor properly calibrated.
My monitor, which was ranked in tests both by PCWorld and Consumer Reports in the summer of 2003, as the best flat panel LCD 19" monitor available and that sold for almost $800 then fails almost all those tests at that link you gave. But I think that is not the monitor. It is probably my eyesight. I'm facing cataract surgery at $5000 for Crystalens implants this summer. In the contrast test there, I could only make out the one just above (only half of it) and the bottom line only. I couldn't see any above that.
I have enough difficulty using the internet without DSLreports making it even more difficult. The text on the yellow is NOT BLACK. It is GRAY. This produces significant reduced visibility on an LCD that already doesn't do black color like a CRT does. I probably should never have gotten an LCD. I had never used one before I bought mine. There are no computer stores to go into and try monitors (now Office Max has them on display but there was nowhere in 2003 for me to try LCD flat panel monitors). So, I did a lot of reading and bought the best one. I couldn't get a 19" Trinitron CRT as Sony had stopped making them and a 20" was too heavy plus would not fit on my desk. So, I really had no choice (as I did not want any CRT other than a larger Trinitron than the 17" I had) than to buy an LCD. I got the best one. It was given raves here in various threads.
It is my aging eyes that are mostly the problem (coupled with the black color problem on all LCDs). I am surprised to read that Justin doesn't seem to care about problems that boomers and older folks are having now with their eyes aging but I don't think that is actually true. I think it is more that because his eyes are great that he can't understand what many of us struggle with when using computers and the internet rather than that he understands but doesn't care. I can't see why we can't be given a toggle switch and those that want this (who have young, great eyes) can use it and those of us who already struggle to read on our monitors don't have to endure this added burden.
The pale yellow background (garish, vivid yellow on my Trinitron) on the LCD is not just for the default theme. It is what I see using the Canadian theme. I don't want to change themes and the only other theme I really like is the default one which also has this pale yellow with gray font according to Justin.
The problem is two fold: aging eyes and LCD monitors which cannot display black as black. This inability to display black as black on LCDs is the reason that most reviews for TVs these days recommend Plasma over LCD because Plasma, like the old tube TVs and CRT monitors, can display black as black but the LCDs cannot as TVs or computer monitors. So, there already is a problem with contrast and black never being black on LCDs and when you introduce that yellow background it makes the black font (which isn't really black anyhow) look even less black so it appears dark gray and consequently is even harder to read. These problems are probably not apparent to young, healthy eyes but they sure are to older eyes especially when presbyopia (which is the beginning stage of what eventually becomes cataracts that have to be removed) sets in after 40.
Is this a possible solution? Have all posts in the forums have the gray background ...don't alternate with white like currently. I can read this dark gray text on light yellow (on the Canadian Theme) without much difficulty when the post has the gray background. It is the posts with white background and the pale yellow with dark gray text that is so hard to read.
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justin
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: De-emphasizing quoted text in forum threads maybe take a picture of your special monitor with a digital camera (please let it be in focus and not super close-up) and post it? | |
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PetePuma
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| Re: De-emphasizing quoted text in forum threads said by justin :maybe take a picture of your special monitor with a digital camera (please let it be in focus and not super close-up) and post it? I think it's fine, no monitor adjustment needed.
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justin
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Gizy
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1 edit | Considering how much time I spend in the DI forum, and photo editing, that's a dangerous assumption to make.
And you're going to ask that everyone who comes into DSLR calibrates their monitor before using the site? Good luck with that one.
It's obviously an issue for some of us, and we've voiced that. If it's not a big enough problem for the quoting to go back to the way it was, that's fine. I'll stick with my work around.
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I went to your link and my monitor is calibrated correctly.
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sporkme
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| Re: De-emphasizing quoted text in forum threads said by Gizy :And you're going to ask that everyone who comes into DSLR calibrates their monitor before using the site? Good luck with that one. Maybe Justin is part developer, part BOFH?
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Dersgniw
Disco Crunchin
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| Re: De-emphasizing quoted text in forum threads Mine looks like your screenshot, but a little smaller. The yellow is fine on my screen, but the text is a bit too small or light. Would prefer a darker text.
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INTENS1
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| Re: De-emphasizing quoted text in forum threads said by Dersgniw :Mine looks like your screenshot, but a little smaller. The yellow is fine on my screen, but the text is a bit too small or light. Would prefer a darker text. I can live with the yellow, but like you, I would prefer a darker text.
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Rob A
Same Old Jets
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Hall
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OZO
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join:2003-01-17
| Ok, guys. If there is no any help with increasing contrast of the blockquote text (making it black instead of gray) - here is a simple solution for those who is using IE7 (I'm sure all other contemporary browsers support it too).
Solution - use your local CSS.
•Create local BBR.css file (see instructions below)
•Assign it in your browser. For IE users instructions are here: BBC - My Web My Way - Windows - Using your own style sheets in Internet Explorer
Now, if you want to make text black (not gray, "#3F3F3F;") - BBR.css file may contain:
.bquote {
color: black !important;
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.bquote {
color: black !important;
background: white !important;
}
.bquote {
color: black !important;
background: white !important;
border-style: dotted !important;
}
Potential drawback of this simple approach - if some web page on the Internet contains element with the class "bquote" your settings may overwrite it. But I have yet to see such a page :)
One more thing. If you change BBR.css file you have to close and reopen all instances of IE before the change will take effect.
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| Re: Emphasizing quoted text in forum threads said by OZO :Potential drawback of this simple approach - if some web page on the Internet contains element with the class "bquote" your settings may overwrite it. But I have yet to see such a page Actually there is a good way to reduce the probability of such event to very low level. It's using long selectors (e.g. "body center center table table table div.bquote").
Check this thread for more options: Tuning default BBR theme. Thread is about increasing contrast of links (making them darker) within default theme, but the approach may be useful for simple tweaking of other themes as well.
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