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bmn
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Re: There is no "free lunch"

Like little jaunts across the ocean with our military that have destabilized an entire region ?

I don't know, wifi seems like a far less problematic issue in light of that.
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pnh102
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said by bmn See Profile :

Like little jaunts across the ocean with our military that have destabilized an entire region ?
The war costs us $100 billion a year out of a $3 trillion budget. That includes all the farm subsidies and other pork needed to pass a funding package.

Besides, local governments are not as rich as the federal government and cannot extort the kind of tax revenues from citizens that the feds can. You would think such restrictions would provide local politicians an incentive to go easy on the spending.
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bmn
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

The war costs us $100 billion a year out of a $3 trillion budget.
So, $100 billion is nothing because its only a small percentage of the whole budget ? Sorry, but $100 billion is still $100 billion, regardless of the size of the budgest and that's $100 billion that could be spent on things domestically, like coastal restoration along America's coasts, especially in SE Louisisana, etc.

That includes all the farm subsidies and other pork needed to pass a funding package.
Farm subsidies are another one... Bridges to nowhere in Alaska is another... Museums so crazy, weird stuff in home towns... There are lots, but they are far less visible than a pointless war.

Besides, local governments are not as rich as the federal government and cannot extort the kind of tax revenues from citizens that the feds can. You would think such restrictions would provide local politicians an incentive to go easy on the spending.
You have to remember though, these WIFI networks in localities aren't being built just as giveaways to the public. Public agencies are using them for data backhaul to city hall because its far cheaper and definitely faster than relying on cell providers.

I recently overheard something about a project that will allow paramedics to send admissions information via the WIFI networks to hospitals instead of having to call it all in, reducing the time on the radio. Building inspectors can file from sites now, reducing processing time. There are multiple uses beyond just a free giveaway that will make government more efficient and responsive.
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said by bmn See Profile :

Public agencies are using them for data backhaul to city hall because its far cheaper and definitely faster than relying on cell providers.
That is a load of hooey. We all know from firsthand experience that Wifi is unreliable and is more prone to failure in mission critical situations. How on earth did these agencies save peoples' lives prior to using wifi? The older systems are solid technology that is designed to stay up and running most of the time. Any public safety agency that wants to use Wifi for this purpose needs to have its head examined.

What you are stating is simply a manufactured reason for setting up taxpayer-provided Wifi.
said by bmn See Profile :

I recently overheard something about a project that will allow paramedics to send admissions information via the WIFI networks to hospitals instead of having to call it all in, reducing the time on the radio.
That is a scary prospect. Someone turns on a microwave or uses a 2.4Ghz cordless phone and patients die because the Wifi doesn't work.
said by bmn See Profile :

Building inspectors can file from sites now, reducing processing time.
So now we have to buy them even more expensive equipment to do the job that they should be doing just fine without it in the first place. That doesn't sound like progress to me.
said by bmn See Profile :

There are multiple uses beyond just a free giveaway that will make government more efficient and responsive.
Government as an institution has existed on this planet for at least 6000 to 10000 years. It has never been, nor will it ever be, efficient and responsive. But fear not, when the next great toy comes along, the government will spout any number of reasons for us to pay for it.
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bmn
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

What you are stating is simply a manufactured reason for setting up taxpayer-provided Wifi.
And one could reasonably state that your stance is the typically anti-progress stance of conservatives because, oh dear, it costs money...

That is a scary prospect. Someone turns on a microwave or uses a 2.4Ghz cordless phone and patients die because the Wifi doesn't work.
You clearly don't know much about wifi... Microwaves, due to shielding, should not emit radiation into the spectrum detrimental to the network. And the technologies built into newer phones work around wifi fairly well.

FUD.

So now we have to buy them even more expensive equipment to do the job that they should be doing just fine without it in the first place. That doesn't sound like progress to me.
Right, so instead of them being able to do more inspections more quickly without the long back end processing time where paper notes have to be deciphered and processed, we just keep the slow system. Typical conservative reaction. Complain about government inefficiency and take no steps to fix it. Status quo.

Government as an institution has existed on this planet for at least 6000 to 10000 years. It has been, nor will it ever be, efficient and responsive.
Do you have proof of this or is that a statement you and like minded people made to reinforce your beliefs ?
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pnh102
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said by bmn See Profile :

because, oh dear, it costs money...
So we should spend tax money on things we don't need for no good reason at all? Weren't you just telling me the war was costing too much?
said by bmn See Profile :

You clearly don't know much about wifi...
You clearly don't know much about healthcare. This is not an industry where great "leaps of faith" are made simply because of a "way cool now" technology. There are already ample ways for EMTs to communicate with hospitals that do not endanger the lives of patients. There is simply no need for a new technology that does not work as well.

There still are interference issues with Wifi. This is an indisputable, irrefutable fact. Any hospital or doctor that allows this technology to interfere with patient care and cost lives is going to be in a serious heap of trouble.
said by bmn See Profile :

Typical conservative reaction. Complain about government inefficiency and take no steps to fix it. Status quo.
We took your approach with public schooling in this country and we continue to throw more money at that year after year. I hear we have the best public schools on earth now... Oh wait a sec.
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bmn
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

So we should spend tax money on things we don't need for no good reason at all? Weren't you just telling me the war was costing too much?
If you ignore the reasons and dismiss them offhandedly as vendor propaganda, you can come to that conclusion that there are no good reasons. I've presents the facts and the uses, whereas you've not disproven, just dismissed.

You clearly don't know much about healthcare.
Actually, I probably know more about healthcare IT than you do considering I worked in it for several years...

This is not an industry where great "leaps of faith" are made simply because of a "way cool now" technology. There are already ample ways for EMTs to communicate with hospitals that do not endanger the lives of patients. There is simply no need for a new technology that does not work as well.

There still are interference issues with Wifi. This is an indisputable, irrefutable fact. Any hospital or doctor that allows this technology to interfere with patient care and cost lives is going to be in a serious heap of trouble.
Did anyone say it was being deployed yet ? I merely stated that there is an ongoing project to create such a system. Issues such as interference and packet loss can easily be addressed.

Unfortunately, the naysayers, such as your self, always come before the real research gets done... Seriously, if people with an attitude such as yours always won, we'd still have polio.

Typical conservative reaction. Complain about government inefficiency and take no steps to fix it. Status quo.
We took your approach with public schooling in this country and we continue to throw more money at that year after year. I hear we have the best public schools on earth now... Oh wait a sec.
Yeah, let's let the kids off the hook since they can't be held responsible for not doing what it takes to learn. And, oh no, we can't hold the parents responsible for (a) having intellectual morons for kids and/or (b) not being involved in the education of their children.

After all, it is all the fault of the government and the teachers solely... Wrong.

Sorry, but technology in education, when used properly actually works to the advantage of the students. Several school districts in my area have shown that to be the case. You just sit a child down and say do this or do that. You have to introduce it as a tool not an end all and be all.
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Sammer

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Many of these mesh networks are multiband and include the 4.9 Mhz licensed Public Safety band. There is much less interference on the 4.9 Mhz band than on WiFi.


pnh102
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said by Sammer See Profile :

Many of these mesh networks are multiband and include the 4.9 Mhz licensed Public Safety band. There is much less interference on the 4.9 Mhz band than on WiFi.
<sarcasm>
Yes but that's not as cool as taxpayer-provided Wifi!
</sarcasm>

So who wants to the be the first person to die in the ambulance because of interference issues with Wifi?
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