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2 edits |  Yet one more company going private; out of reach of SEC
There has been a spate of companies going private recently, taking them out of the realm of public scrutiny of their finances.
This is good if the company uses that deemphasis from Wall St on quarterly results to make better long term decisions for the business.
But it could also be negative if the private equity owners use the lack of oversight to loot the assets and sell off pieces of the company. In that case the companies customers will be getting poorer service for their money.
The passing of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act after the Enron fiasco has been part of the reason for all these companies going private. The requirements of that act has made it more cost effective for a company to get off the stock market and go private.
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pnh102
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| said by TKJunkMail  :The passing of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes-Oxley_Act after the Enron fiasco has been part of the reason for all these companies going private. The requirements of that act has made it more cost effective for a company to get off the stock market and go private. Sarbox has to rank among the most useless of legislation ever signed into law. There was simply no need for it. All of the people involved in the Enron fiasco, as well as in other corporate accounting scandals, were prosecuted just fine under existing laws. At best, Sarbox will simply move the fraud outside of the scope of the regulating authorities.
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decadent
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Piscataway, NJ | I am not sure how it helps an investor or former employee of Enron, that they were prosecuted. Most people care about lost money or jobs and do not care much about getting even. |
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pnh102
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| said by decadent :Most people care about lost money or jobs and do not care much about getting even. What happened to the investors was simply a bad case of not following common-sense investment advice. No one in their right mind should have their entire retirement portfolio invested in a single stock. If that means having to skip using your own company's 401k plan, then you do it.
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Not every one is given a choice with their 401k... many companies force you to invest in the company stock until the shares mature.
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Beating up on Sarbanes-Oxley is a typical Right Wing attack on consumers, and doesn't have any significant impact on a company like Alltel. There are those that are just unhappy that the free ride on the backs of the consumer is over.
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You are fairly ignorant on the issues concerning investors, employees, and trading counterparties of Enron if that is what you believe. |
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emptywig
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In the absence of their money, I bet you'd be hard-pressed to find me an Enron employee who didn't take SOME comfort, and perhaps no small amount of glee, from seeing the people who stole that money go to jail.
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The number of non-employee investors in Enron was MUCH MUCH higher than the number of employees who were invested.
I wasn't an employee of Enron, and I didn't have my entire stock investment in Enron, but that doesn't change the fact that I lost all the money that I did have committed to it. And I lost it, not because of capricious market circumstances, but because of wrongdoing on the part of the corporate leadership.
If the captain runs the ship into an iceberg and everyone drowns, you don't blame the passengers because they didn't bring their own survival suit.
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emptywig
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As a raging moderate who despises the extremes of the left and the right, I would agree that Sarbox has had unintended consequences and needs to be revisited. Like so many other really important and far-reaching laws that have been passed in the last eight years, it was written and rushed through much much too quickly and without the careful and deliberate consideration it warranted.
There needs to be some accountability, but the law as written is going to bite us on the ass.
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said by PhoenixDown :Not every one is given a choice with their 401k... many companies force you to invest in the company stock until the shares mature. You still have to sign up for the program. We have had such 401ks at my old jobs and I was never compelled to enroll in those plans.
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said by soccerguy :You are fairly ignorant on the issues concerning investors, employees, and trading counterparties of Enron if that is what you believe. So why don't you enlighten us as to what really happened?
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said by emptywig :The number of non-employee investors in Enron was MUCH MUCH higher than the number of employees who were invested. But again, doesn't this prove that people who invest should keep an eye into which companies their funds invest?
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said by pnh102
You still have to sign up for the program. We have had such 401ks at my old jobs and I was never compelled to enroll in those plans.
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| said by PhoenixDown :Compelled? No - but its one of the few retirement vehicles left after the death of pensions. How so? There are plenty of funds outside of work into which people can invest for retirement.
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| Yes but my compensation and pay package includes a 401k match. In previous years that match was for any fund within our 401k portfolio but its now only for our company stock as mentioned.
Talk to my CEO and see if he is willing to either increase my pay by the missing match or is willing to to have our 401k invested in a broader range of funds.
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said by decadent :I am not sure how it helps an investor or former employee of Enron, that they were prosecuted. Most people care about lost money or jobs and do not care much about getting even. OK, the investors (stockholders) are the ones who elect corporate management? WHO ELSE would you have shoulder the risk of bad acts? You want the government to guarantee that your stock investments will not lose value?
Far more money was "lost" than was recoverable as "stolen", but this is common in any crime--you may find the guy that got $35 for the CD player he stole from your car, but you can't extract the $850 to repair the damage he did in stealing it because he doesn't have it. Likewise with Enron, etc., tons more money was lost covering the crimes than was "stolen" and recoverable from the crooks.
Who should bear the risk of this? If not the owners (stockholders), then who? I sure don't want government to be the insurer of your stocks any more than I want them to insure your dashboard.
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