ssault
join:2007-01-21
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Re: [TWC] TW Officially Announces Packet Shaping for All RR User said by Dominokat:Speed test, with packet shaping can and will give normal results. Its the ports that Newsgroups and Itunes use that are getting shaped. I can get my normal speeds on a speed test, but my Newsgroups and Itunes are slow as hell. I'm feeling your pain in Damariscotta, it has been terrible here. Newsgroups goes down to 500-1000kbps anytime from afternoon till midnight. |
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Cogdis
join:2007-03-26
Floral Park, NY | reply to Dampier
I used the online chat as well and confirmed they've implemented it for TWC in NYC.
Since theres never that much traffic in my area, I haven't noticed any issues yet, but just the fact that they would consider VoIP bandwidth intensive makes me happier than ever that fios is comming. So long to the crooks at TWC... Hello to the crooks at verizon  |
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 sheik28Premium
join:2000-10-15
New York, NY | reply to Dampier
Well, Dampier  it seems you are correct. I had some time tonight and I contacted live chat. Unfortunately, they said the same to me... the details of my chat are below:
quote:
Lee M: Thank you, with what technical issue may we assist you?
me: I am having trouble downloading with Itunes.... is the network having toruble? Ity seems very slow
Lee M: I'm not sure. We can do a slow browsing test if you like.
me: well before i contacted you i searched., and i saw some people saying something
about packet shaping. i read some more but i seem confused. does time warner use packet shaping technology to slow down stuff like that... p2p or whatever it's calleeD?
Lee M: Yes actually, recently they changed the protocol with p2p programs and that may slow your downloading a little bit with programs like itunes or limewire
me: wow that stinks. why?
Lee M: To level the bandwith for weveryone, torrents and p2p takes a lot more bandwith than normal browsing and it was affecting speeds accross the board.
me: well i guess that explains it. thanks for your help
Maybe I just didn't want to believe it.
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| reply to Dampier
I think it has hit here in south carolina now. I use to download videos like ign and other sites and now its going slow to stop.
I dont use any P2p software at all. I do alot of downloading like on linux on the iso just to mess around.
Xbox live in not effected nor my voip is still running fine. |
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 saber11Check SixPremium
join:2000-06-09
Clayton, OH | reply to Dampier
Yet another reason to call and write your congress critters. Make sure they support NET NEUTRALITY !!!! |
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DampierPhillip M Dampier
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Rochester, NY | said by saber11:Yet another reason to call and write your congress critters. Make sure they support NET NEUTRALITY !!!! This is a good idea in any case, but actually isn't directly related to this. It's more important to contact TW management and complain about packet shaping impacting your user experience.
What bemuses me about some of the earlier comments from those who seem pro-packet shaping is the short sighted thinking they have used to come to support this kind of activity.
I'm not for Bill up the street running his bittorrent client all day and night and slowing down the neighborhood either, but I am strongly against pitting user against user and worrying about what someone else in the neighborhood might be doing. I am worried about my broadband provider implementing technology that forestalls the necessary network investments that are going to be required to meet the growing bandwidth demands of customers in the future.
As someone who has reported on this industry since the 1980s, this is a pattern I've seen before. Management implements restrictions and punitive measures against customers who respond to their endless marketing campaigns promising "unlimited" usage, "blazing speeds"/"the fastest Internet in city x", and marketing campaigns that even wink wink at illegal online activities (especially peer-2-peer traffic), and then when users utilitze those services, they get all huffy.
Restrictions are sold in press releases as "improvements to the customer's user experience," and there are always some shortsighted folks out there who misunderstand the implications and accept that reasoning (if not applaud it because they now think their specific problems with their provider are solved because it was sold as entirely the fault of some kid up the street downloading adult videos).
But in the end it's always the same - those network management tools start to creep into other high bandwidth applications. Remember, RR itself says explicitly their priority is rendering web pages. So if you didn't care when p-2-p stuff got throttled because you don't use it, and you never bother with newsgroups, this is not relevant to you right now, but wait.
But when it expands to slow your iTunes downloads, restricts your ability to use legal movie or TV download services, makes Joost unusable, or whatever other future online applications that are bandwidth intensive, then you'll probably join the chorus, but by then management will have cemented the mentality that handicapping their network is more cost-effective than actually maintaining it to the standards that are going to be required to meet the demands of these services.
Yes, competition can play an important role in limiting one player from getting away with too much restrictive access, but most cities in this country face just one other choice - copper wire DSL, which has been having trouble competing with Road Runner for speed. FIOS is a great product that is either years away for many of us, or will never be available in our area, and is a unique offering from Verizon that some stockholders are upset is being offered at all.
I'd fight against packet shaping like this even if it only applied to peer to peer networks which I don't even use, because some applications rely on this technology to deliver their broadband content even if you don't realize it.
One example: In the UK right now, Channel 4 has discovered their efforts to deliver video on demand services to broadband customers have run right into packet shaping and usage caps imposed by many British ISPs, rendering the service totally useless for large numbers of people. It relies on a peer to peer distribution model.
I continue to encourage people to look beyond pitting user against user and instead focus on pressuring Time Warner to make the smarter choice for everyone on the network - take some of the enormous profits that TW earns from their cable division and invest them into building a broadband network that can easily meet the growing needs of broadband applications either now available or soon will be, some of which are being built in-house by TW itself. Then you won't need to spend money to implement technology which only reduces the customer's user experience. |
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 djrobx
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1 edit | reply to Dampier
quote:
and Itunes use that are getting shaped.
I think the iTunes problem may be unrelated. I am seeing packet loss on Level3 trying to get to Apple's website. I see the same loss from DSLExtreme.
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms DD-WRT.djrobx.com [10.12.35.1]
2 8 ms 6 ms 7 ms 10.243.192.1
3 7 ms 8 ms 6 ms cpe-76-166-3-105.socal.rr.com [76.166.3.105]
4 8 ms 6 ms 7 ms tge9-1.stclca2-rtr1.socal.rr.com [76.166.1.61]
5 7 ms 8 ms 7 ms tge9-1.tjgaca1-rtr1.socal.rr.com [76.166.1.63]
6 9 ms 8 ms 8 ms tge9-4.bwlaca1-rtr3.socal.rr.com [76.166.1.65]
7 8 ms 7 ms 9 ms tge9-3.bwlaca1-rtr2.socal.rr.com [76.166.1.6]
8 9 ms 8 ms 8 ms tge9-2.bwlaca1-rtr1.socal.rr.com [76.166.1.4]
9 12 ms 12 ms 13 ms tge4-2-0.lsanca1-rtr1.socal.rr.com [76.166.1.23]
10 12 ms 11 ms 11 ms te-3-4.car2.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [4.71.36.105]
11 * 21 ms * ae-31-51.ebr1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [4.68.102.3
0]
12 12 ms 15 ms 19 ms ae-68.ebr3.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [4.69.135.10]
13 21 ms * 31 ms ae-2.ebr1.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.69.132.9]
14 22 ms 22 ms 23 ms ae-4-4.car2.Sacramento1.Level3.net [4.69.132.157
]
15 22 ms 22 ms 22 ms ae-11-11.car1.Sacramento1.Level3.net [4.69.132.1
49]
16 23 ms 22 ms 22 ms APPLE-COMPU.car1.Sacramento1.Level3.net [64.158.
148.6]
17 22 ms 21 ms 23 ms 17.112.4.11
18 22 ms 22 ms 23 ms eg-www.apple.com [17.112.152.32]
In this case the loss "seems" to normalize out by the time it gets to apple, but I see erratic downloads and sluggish performance at the Apple.com website from both providers.
From dslextreme:
Tracing route to www.apple.com.akadns.net [17.149.160.10]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms adsl-66-218-35-1.dslextreme.com [66.218.35.1]
3 8 ms 8 ms 11 ms LAX1.CR1.Gig9-0-3.dslextreme.com [66.51.203.33]
4 9 ms 9 ms 8 ms ge-5-1-115.ipcolo1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [63.20
9.70.133]
5 * * 14 ms ae-32-52.ebr2.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [4.68.102.6
2]
6 17 ms 17 ms 15 ms ae-78.ebr3.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [4.69.135.14]
7 * 17 ms * ae-2.ebr1.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.69.132.9]
8 18 ms 18 ms 19 ms ae-14-51.car4.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.68.123.14]
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 * * * Request timed out.
11 * * * Request timed out.
12 * * * Request timed out.
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 * APPLE-COMPU.car4.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.71.114.34] reports: Desti
nation net unreachable.)
This particular trace from DSLX definitely suggests issues at level3. :)
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ssault
join:2007-01-21
Portland, ME Reviews:
·RoadRunner Cable
| said by djrobx: quote:
and Itunes use that are getting shaped.
I think the iTunes problem may be unrelated. I am seeing packet loss on Level3 trying to get to Apple's website. I see the same loss from DSLExtreme. This particular trace from DSLX definitely suggests issues at level3.  »Road Runner HSI Forum FAQ »Why is there so much packetloss on Level 3?
Covers Level 3 issue, read FAQ. |
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 Anonymous_AnonymousPremium
join:2004-06-21
127.0.0.1
kudos:2 | reply to Dampier
It Might Only be FOR Select areas Were there are a Shit Load of users
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| Wow.I pay for 12/768 in Queens NY and I might not get it all the time because of this idea? Actually I don't get that speed half the time anyway:(.Grrr |
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Anonymous_AnonymousPremium
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127.0.0.1
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3 edits | it's not installed in my area yet
i am getting full speed when downloading Windows XP SP1a |
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 swintecPremium,VIP
join:2003-12-19
Alfred, ME
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| said by Anonymous_:it's not installed in my area yet i am getting full speed when downloading Windows XP SP1a What are you downloading it by? |
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 ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA | reply to djrobx
I just DLed the AllThingsD Jobs/Gates video podcast got about 8Mb from my 15Mb connection. Now I'm getting paranoid  Every time I don't max my pipe I'm going to be wondering if it's just general traffic at the host or if it's traffic shaping.
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Anonymous_AnonymousPremium
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127.0.0.1
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from microsoft website |
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| I also get 15mb d/ling the sp1a and i also get 15mb d/l when using SSL with usenetserver |
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Anonymous_AnonymousPremium
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1 edit | yes i bet it's Only for Select areas were they have overloads
i have not gotten any email via rr account
they would have told every one by now
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swintecPremium,VIP
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| reply to Anonymous_
That type of connection is not going to get shaped. It is Usenet and peer to peer file sharing applications, during the peak usage times which I would venture to guess is between 6-10 or so. Simply downloading SP1a was not even a blip on the radar to them. Try HARDER! |
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djrobx
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| reply to ssault
Aware of that phenomenon. Read my entire post. Once again:
"In this case the loss "seems" to normalize out by the time it gets to apple, but I see erratic downloads and sluggish performance at the Apple.com website from both providers."
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| yea what ever |
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