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join:2001-11-25 Los Angeles, CA 1 edit | reply to ColorBASIC I don't want to spoil your party...
But the RIAA gets 70 cents of every 99 cents spent for a song on iTunes.
The artist/singer get 7 cents to split. |
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  ColorBASIC 8-bit Fun Premium join:2006-12-29 Corona, CA
| The artist gets money from touring as well. If their music is popular, they will do very well. If their music sucks, the music publisher who did the investing and took the risk loses money as well.
If the artist thinks they are getting a raw deal, they can sign with a different label or self publish. -- Macintosh Users Group Serving the Inland Empire |
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| said by ColorBASIC :The artist gets money from touring as well. If their music is popular, they will do very well. If their music sucks, the music publisher who did the investing and took the risk loses money as well. If the artist thinks they are getting a raw deal, they can sign with a different label or self publish. Who, in there right mind, can self-publish? Who has the type of resources and financial backing to make it on their own? Madonna? The music industry has always been, for the most part, a brutal industry for newcomers. Why should any talented artist be forced to hit the road to make a living? If the music is good and enough people can hear it, buy it, and play it, that should be more than enough to have a lucrative business for any budding creator of music. |
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4 edits | Wow, the concept of an artist having to actual WORK for their money is shocking to some people. Some artists just expect to do a recording session and the money should just flow in by the millions.
But if you want to take advantage of RIAA's immense and expensive to support resources, and you want the RIAA membership to risk millions putting together an album and promoting an untested artist so that you dont' have to do all that work, it will cost you .70 of a dollar and you make the bulk of your money actually PLAYING your music for those fans you expect to buy your music.
Any artist that is so lazy that they're not willing to do any work doesn't deserve zillions of dollars.
IOW, that .70 buys the artist the "resources and financial backing" and in exchange, if their music is good, the artist stands to make MILLIONS touring the nation or world playing for their fans. That's a fair deal IMO.
Resources and financial backing are expensive...just look at how much interest you pay on a home mortgage over the life of the loan.
Meanwhile Madonna looks to have done pretty well under the oppressive thumb of the RIAA membership.
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| said by ColorBASIC :Wow, the concept of an artist having to actual WORK for their money is shocking to some people. Some artists just expect to do a recording session and the money should just flow in by the millions. But if you want to take advantage of RIAA's immense and expensive to support resources, and you want the RIAA membership to risk millions putting together an album and promoting an untested artist so that you dont' have to do all that work, it will cost you .70 of a dollar and you make the bulk of your money actually PLAYING your music for those fans you expect to buy your music. Any artist that is so lazy that they're not willing to do any work doesn't deserve zillions of dollars. IOW, that .70 buys the artist the "resources and financial backing" and in exchange, if their music is good, the artist stands to make MILLIONS touring the nation or world playing for their fans. That's a fair deal IMO. Resources and financial backing are expensive...just look at how much interest you pay on a home mortgage over the life of the loan. Meanwhile Madonna looks to have done pretty well under the oppressive thumb of the RIAA membership. You are so off the mark. The RIAA cripples and controls most budding artists. They control almost every aspect of music distribution, and being in such control, they can manipulate and direct exactly what is being listened to, what is popular, and what THEY want to invest money into.
We don't need a large entity promoting an untested artist, we have other vessels that do this more than adequately. That is the problem. The RIAA wants to strip away that vessel. They want us to blindly follow their lead with regards to untested artists.
Madonna realized the oppressive nature of the major music labels and broke away. She had the money and the resources, along with the popularity to do this. These labels are not doing any artists a favor. They are manipulative and oppressive entities that have no talent on their own, but they control the distribution of pop music, and therefore have a vested interest in streaming songs and downloadable content, which directly impacts their business model. |
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3 edits | Toby Keith isn't with an RIAA label and doesn't appear to be living in a refrigerator box eating dog food...White Trash with Money was #2 Billboard without the RIAA. Gnarls Barkley gets plenty of airplay without the RIAA as well.
The RIAA doesn't control what I listen to and no artist is forced to sign with an RIAA member label. Artists not wanting to pay the RIAA member label just have to be willing to do the work the label does (promotion, networking, getting the music out there). I hear plenty of indie music on Sirius and on the internet that isn't from RIAA labels. But then again I don't listen to Top 40 because Top 40 music for the most part sucks ass.
And despite their best efforts, the RIAA doesn't seem to be able to control Steve Jobs and iTunes. Music is still $1 a song and RIAA artists are filthy rich.
The whole point is the RIAA DOESN'T control distribution. They're worried that Apple will be controlling phone music distribution and the history of Apple and iTunes that I've seen is that they refuse any price increase from the current $1/song model. -- Macintosh Users Group Serving the Inland Empire |
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| reply to ColorBASIC All those expenses are recoupable.
The RIAA decides how much to spend and what to spend it on, and the artist gets to pay it out of their paltry share!
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| reply to qworster Re: I don't want to spoil your party...
said by qworster :But the RIAA gets 70 cents of every 99 cents spent for a song on iTunes. The artist/singer get 7 cents to split. And itunes gets the rest of which they did NOTHING to earn other than place it on their servers. even pennies add up to a sweet amount if you count each purchase of songs each month. -- You can never be too rich, too thin or have too much Bandwidth |
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| reply to ColorBASIC said by ColorBASIC :Toby Keith isn't with an RIAA label and doesn't appear to be living in a refrigerator box eating dog food...White Trash with Money was #2 Billboard without the RIAA. Gnarls Barkley gets plenty of airplay without the RIAA as well. The RIAA doesn't control what I listen to and no artist is forced to sign with an RIAA member label. Artists not wanting to pay the RIAA member label just have to be willing to do the work the label does (promotion, networking, getting the music out there). I hear plenty of indie music on Sirius and on the internet that isn't from RIAA labels. But then again I don't listen to Top 40 because Top 40 music for the most part sucks ass. And despite their best efforts, the RIAA doesn't seem to be able to control Steve Jobs and iTunes. Music is still $1 a song and RIAA artists are filthy rich. The whole point is the RIAA DOESN'T control distribution. They're worried that Apple will be controlling phone music distribution and the history of Apple and iTunes that I've seen is that they refuse any price increase from the current $1/song model. The whole point is that the RIAA is LOSING control of the distribution model. Apple IS controlling a large majority of their business. And while they are keeping the prices at an inflated level when considering the low cost of manufacturing and lack of medium creation, they want more. And not simply more money per track sold, they long for the type of control that they once mastered with regards to radio and television. |
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| reply to dvd536 I'm sorry but the FYE store in the mall charges $18 dollors for something that costs them $10-11. Why do they get to keep so much? Just because they pay rent at the mall??
Please as a consumer you vote with your dollars, don't like iTunes don't buy, as for me I don't like the limited selection of the music chain retailer in the mall so I don't buy there! |
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| reply to ColorBASIC What world do you live in ?
There is articles about how the RIAA wants to collect money from streamers and satellite companies for non riaa related music , they then would hold the money until the artist joined the RIAA. Yeah that is real fair.
Or better yet how about the RIAA and record labels using payola to get thier shit on the radio.
I fear this has wandered too far off target. But the RIAA controls the distrobution and Itunes can crumble if they get a hair across their ass. RIAA can pull thier distrobution rights.
Toby Keith was RIAA got poular enough and pulled out. Gnarles Barkley is like Finger Eleven , every once in a while one sprouts up and is able to get air play because enough fans are askig for it. Most folks nowadays really don't care and just listen to music they don't ask or try to find music that suits them. -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!" |
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  ColorBASIC 8-bit Fun Premium join:2006-12-29 Corona, CA
| reply to jmn1207 It's a good thing that Apple is such a big seller as they have enough clout to say NO to the RIAA when the RIAA insists on raising prices.
I don't know about you, but I see not raising prices as a good thing and I think the $1 per song model is excellent for the consumer. I also have no issue with the iTunes DRM...5 computers plus iPods and phones is fine by me. Again, any consumer who isn't happy with iTunes DRM is free to buy CDs and rip them themselves or go with another online etailer who has what they want.
Anyone who doesn't like it doesn't have to sell their music through iTunes. -- Macintosh Users Group Serving the Inland Empire |
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2 edits | reply to BosstonesOwn I'm not defending the RIAA...they're a bunch of racketeering jerkoffs who's leadership should go to Federal prison on RICO charges. As far as radio, what's radio? I'm a Sirius subscriber because I can't hear what I want on radio anymore. It's all Top 40 bubblegum garbage or Spanish language. Great stations like KROQ and KNAC are either dead or have 'tarded program directors. I also thought 'payola' was illegal and again the RIAA perps should go to prison. But terrestrial radio sucking is fine by me cause for $13 I get zillions of commercial free channels of UNCENSORED music I like and jocks I grew up with (eg Richard Blade) and far superior audio quality.
Let the RIAA try to get a hair in their ass and pull distribution from iTunes. They'll be cutting off their nose to spite their face. The RIAA membership and artists make BILLIONS off iTunes. They're just so greedy they want even more to which Apple is saying no.
Good for Apple, good for consumers.
Don't like iTunes, don't buy from iTunes. It's a very simple concept. If you're feeling chartiable and want to give the RIAA even more of your money, you are free to do so. I'm sure they won't refuse it.
Me, they'll get a dollar a song and $10 per album unless the album is really good.
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join:2002-12-15 Everett, MA clubs: | They have done it before , look at streaming radio. |
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2 edits | A billion+ song seller like iTunes that makes artists and labels rich is quite different from some noname internet streamer who is just squeaking by.
I personally think the RIAA is 'tarded for going after internet streamers. Given that OTA radio only plays a narrow line of crap, where else are you going to hear RIAA label bands like the Fratellis or Saosin (who used to not be, but is now with an RIAA label)? You won't You only hear them on college, satellite or internet radio.
But no one accused the RIAA of being smart. -- Macintosh Users Group Serving the Inland Empire |
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| reply to qworster Re: All those expenses are recoupable.
I couldn't care less. No artist of forced to sign with the bloodsuckers at the RIAA. And for those that do, I have no sympathy as the artists who sell albums and tour get rich. Those who are too lazy to tour don't. -- Macintosh Users Group Serving the Inland Empire |
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| reply to ColorBASIC Re: I don't want to spoil your party...
said by ColorBASIC :Good for Apple, good for consumers. That has become your mantra, huh? |
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1 edit | said by ColorBASIC :Like following me from thread to thread trolling like some Crayon wielding disgruntled ex-girlfriend with her panties in a bunch has become yours. No, it's just tough to not read an iThread with your iComments iDefending everything that is Mac.
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| reply to jmn1207 said by jmn1207 :said by ColorBASIC :The artist gets money from touring as well. If their music is popular, they will do very well. If their music sucks, the music publisher who did the investing and took the risk loses money as well. If the artist thinks they are getting a raw deal, they can sign with a different label or self publish. Who, in there right mind, can self-publish? Who has the type of resources and financial backing to make it on their own? Madonna? The music industry has always been, for the most part, a brutal industry for newcomers. Why should any talented artist be forced to hit the road to make a living? If the music is good and enough people can hear it, buy it, and play it, that should be more than enough to have a lucrative business for any budding creator of music. Who doesn't have the right to self-publish?
Dirt cheap these days...think internet based.
I think my first fugazi recording was from Wax Trax Records in chicago after their first gig was over. Free for my blank cassette (ugh). Let's not hear crying about publishing costs...the labels only give you distribution and marketing...get good or adapt...or...gasp..realize music is an art form that doesn't always pay for itself...as with all professions.
Just one opinion...
I think you might be overrating the value of your talent. Most music doesn't require "talent", just connect in some way with your audience, it'll sell, but maybe the madonna profit days are coming to a close? how far behind might be tv/movie actors and sports players be? |
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