Jodokast96
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Erial, NJ | reply to configq
Re: [modem/router] New Verizon DSL service with Westell B90-36R5
With the pc connected to the Westell, go here: »192.168.1.1 Default username/password is admin/password. |
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configq
@verizon.net |  reply to Jodokast96
Can you tell me how to login to my 327w westell router? |
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Verizon tech
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Just so you know the westell you are currently using is supported by verizon (I am a Verizon Tech) however it is obsolete. if it still works you can use it but the activation site does work only with the 6100 and 327w. configuring it is fairly simple and if you wish to use the wirespeed after you set up your account all you will have to do is switch modems and configure your router with the username and password. |
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Jodokast96
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| reply to bob12564
NAT routing on it's own offers a level of protection. Most people turn off the actuall firewall in both the modem and the routers and run a software firewall. Not saying it's the safest method, but for most people practicing safe surfing habits, it can be all you need. |
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borredo
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Bob, all you need is a verizon user name, password, and a connection, nothing else. No verizon software whatsoever. Don't let anyone tell you different.I'm on my fourth desktop, and third laptop since I've been using VOL (8 years). Never did I have/use one scintilla of verizon software.
I'd definitely use the router if it was me, it'll be always available for additional pc's, laptops. You're all set, got everthing you need, go for it. |
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bob12564
join:2007-07-09
Patterson, NY
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I checked the Netgear settings. It's set to do automatic DHCP only for attached LAN devices. For "internet", which is probably the modem, it's set to PPPOE. That explains the login ID and password. Looks like I have to bridge the 6100.
Borredo mentioned the advantage of logging in on a router because of the firewall. I'm not sure if he means the Netgear or the 6100. Some other posters in these forums seem to think the firewall on the 6100 is not as robust as on a full fledged router.
AliasRepoint, as you point out, the activation routine will add a lot of things I don't want. I may try to manually configure the 6100. I think I can follow your instructions, although they may now change now that you know my current Netgear configuration.
Many thanks to all who have replied. |
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AliasRepoint
join:2007-07-09
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hmm... from the looks of it and from your latest post, it would seem that the netgear router is currently set to "automatic DHCP". if that is the case, then my suggestion as your first plan would be to:
- activate via the website using the westell 6100 and then just connect the netgear router directly afterwards and then follow the boot/powercycle sequence as suggested by tschmidt. like i mentioned, if the netgear is set to "automatic DHCP", then u won't even have to change anything on it.
setting the westell 6100 to bridge mode will just be necessary if the scenario above does not work for some reason, and u would have to resort to configuring the netgear router for a "PPPOE connection" rather than "automatic DHCP".
going thru the verizon activation page, btw will download a few extra MBs of stuff into your hard drive - verizon browser, verizon playlinc, etc, and your homepage will change. so afterwards, u will get a few additional verizon icons on your desktop but u will still get to keep your plain IE browser. just be careful not to click on any of the portal choices by accident. i think i read somewhere here that a guy can't get rid of his MSN premium subscription. so if it prompts u for portal options - AOL, Yahoo, MSN, just click on " I will decide later".
hope this helps,
~AliasRepoint |
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tschmidt
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1 edit | reply to bob12564
said by bob12564  :1) activate via the website and the 6100 and run the downloaded script 1a) make sure your connection works as advertised. 2) configure the 6100 as a bridge (while still connected to the internet?) (I don't think it matters since changes have to be saved in flash memory to go into effect.) 3) turn off the 6100 and remove it from the computer and attach the Netgear LAN port directly to the computer and change the user ID and password on the Netgear. (May need to reboot computer depending on IP addresses between old and new router) 4) turn off the computer, reattach the 6100 to the computer and attach the Netgear to the 61004) connect 6100 to WAN port on Netgear. 4a) Turn on 6100 4)boot the computer and verify that the modem synchs and that the Netgear handles the log in5) no need to reboot the computer. As soon as Netgear sees a live WAN port should set up connection. 6) surf the Internet. Do a few speed tests. Sounds like a plan with a few minor modifications.
/tom |
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bob12564
join:2007-07-09
Patterson, NY
| reply to AliasRepoint
Thanks so much for the information. I'm impressed to get a response from a Verizon senior tech!
I usually run with my Wirespeed connected directly to the computer and I let Windows handle the PPPOE and login. That's the way it was set up when I first went with DSL many years ago.
Once we got a laptop and my wife started using it, I bought the Netgear and I am now using it more and more. When I go through the Netgear router, I do not log in. The router handles it. This is the way I will continue to use it. I also recently acquired the Acoustic Energy internet radio, so the router will probably be the only way I access the DSL connection from now on.
From what I've read in this forum, I need to change the 6100 to bridge mode. You've convinced me that the old Wirespeed will work, but other posters are convincing me that it's time to upgrade. The Verizon tech I spoke with said that the activation procedure would fail if I didn't use the 6100.
I have to be clear that I don't want to use the installation CD because of the bloat it loads, and...they never sent it to me! If the activation website requires that I download a script and run it, will it just do the configuring or will it add other things that I may not want (popup blockers, etc)?
I think I just need to change the user ID and password in the Netgear and everything else will still work. Reconfiguring the 6100 may be more challenging. I found the Verizon tutorial on connecting a Linksys to the 6100, and I presume I follow the same steps.
I think this is my game plan:
1) activate via the website and the 6100 and run the downloaded script
2) configure the 6100 as a bridge (while still connected to the internet?)
3) turn off the 6100 and remove it from the computer and attach the Netgear directly to the computer and change the user ID and password on the Netgear
4) turn off the computer, reattach the 6100 to the computer and attach the Netgear to the 6100
4) boot the computer and verify that the modem synchs and that the Netgear handles the log in
Am I close (chuckle)? |
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AliasRepoint
join:2007-07-09
| reply to bob12564
hi! this post may be a bit late if you've already purchased the westell 6100. anyway, for starters, if you've called the tech support hotline for VOL, it would be best to refer to your b90 modem as the "westell wirespeed" modem. at least that would be a term that VZ techs would recognize. now, about the prospect of using the B90 still after switching to verizon directly. of course, u can still use it. all you have to do is edit the username and password that u have for your existing PPPOE dialler. u have to change the username/password into the new username/password provided by verizon. if your netgear router is set to "automatic DHCP", then u won't need to do anything else to get connected. but if your netgear router is set to "PPPOE authentication", then u will have to change the PPPOE username/password in your netgear router as well to match your new verizon username/password.
about using the westell 6100:
there are several ways of using it. if u intend to keep the dial-up box (username/password authentication screen used by the B90), then u basically don't need to change anything on the westell 6100. u will just have to edit the username/password on the dialler/dial-up box with your new verizon username/password. and if the netgear is again configured for "Automatic DHCP", then nothing else needs to be done.
now if u intend to do away with the dial-up box, then u have 2 ways of configuring the westell 6100 modem.
1) manual configuration using the westell GUI - this is done by going to 192.168.1.1 . it will ask you for a username/password w/c is admin/password by default. next it will give u the option to change that and u will be prompted with 3 empty boxes. type admin for all boxes for simplicity and then click change. u will then be redirected to the "connection overview page". u will need to click on "profile editor", then click on "new connection". if u see something like an "auto-registration" item, then click on edit. whichever way u go, u will next be prompted with a screen that asks for Connection name/Account ID/Account password. again for simplicity. type verizon for your connection name. for the account ID and account password fields, type your verizon username and password respectively. next. click on either the "new" or "save" tab. u will then be redirected to the connection overview page once more. if u typed in the correct username and password, u should be seeing "PPP status UP". if u see PPP status down, u will need to click on "edit" again so u can retype your verizon username/password. but if it already shoes PPP status up, can then click the "home" and "status" tab on the GUI so u can check if u are getting a routable/working IP address. something like 71.xx.xx.xx or basically anything that does not look like 10.xx.xx or 151.xx.xx.xx. once, all that is checked, u can now go on and open a browser and go to any website of your choice. if by any chance it goes to the verizon web-based activation page no matter which website u type in, then u would need to type this on the address bar: 192.168.1.1/verizon/redirect.htm - wait for the page to load, then click on "disable" if that is executed properly, then u should be good to go. all these, by the way, are the steps to configure your westell 6100 manually.
2. automatically configuring your westell 6100 - easiest thing to do. just go to activatemydsl.verizon.net. choose the first option. type in all the information it's asking for and then click go. it will then ask you to install and run activex. just look for the narrow strip of colored message that says "this website needs to install the following add-ons". click install or run. then a page will appear. click on retry. it will now start configuring your modem, pc and browser simultaneously. just a matter of waiting for like 10-15mins.
both the steps above will just configure your modem for the "normal" mode as i would like to call it. which means, it won't be in bridge or null mode. so if your netgear if configured for "automatic DHCP" u can just connect it directly to the modem and u should be fine. u only need to configure the modem to "bridge mode" if u will be using the netgear router in "PPPOE authentication" mode. configuring the westell modem for bridge is another topic so i'd be waiting for your reply first if the netgear is indeed in PPPOE authentication or Automatic DHCP mode before i post about how to bridge the modem.
whew! so much easier doing this over the phone...  if u have any more specific questions, just post up. =)
senior TIER 3 verizon tech here, btw, making his maiden post here in this forum
greetz,
~AliasRepoint |
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Jodokast96
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1 edit | reply to bob12564
The 6100 is basically the same as the Westell 327w (4 port wired/wireless modem/router) and Actiontec (same features as the 327w), just with out the extra ports and wireless. It doesn't have a ton of advanced features, but it gets the job done. NAT routing, built in, customizable firewall, port forwarding, etc. All that's needed to setup a simple wired home network with it is a switch. All that does is give you the extra ports needed to connect additional pc's. |
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bob12564
join:2007-07-09
Patterson, NY
| reply to borredo
By the way, just what sort of router functions is in the 6100? Doesn't seem like it can do much other than act as a plain modem.
I learned the hard way that you have to be careful how you get new service from Verizon. I tried to purchase it via their website, and they promised a $25 Target gift card, one month free, and a free modem/wireless router. Trouble was I couldn't complete the transaction because their system thought I was already a customer. Yeah, I had their DSL line, but my bills were sent by the 3rd party ISP. I finally called Verizon and they understood the problem and took care of everything, but forgot to tell me that once you go through a rep you lose just about everything. I even got a bill for the modem, and it definitely was not the upgraded wireless router/modem combo unit. Also no free month or gift card and the monthly charges are higher.
At this point I'll be happy just to get the thing working with the least grief.
Thanks again for all the wonderful information. |
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borredo
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Allentown, PA | reply to borredo
One other point... when you login through a router you're behind a NAT firewall, an extra layer of protection. A very good thing. |
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Jodokast96
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1 edit | reply to bob12564
Like borredo , I have no experience with the new activation system they use. I checked it out real quick, and it downloads a script to run, so it probably does set up the modem, if you are only using the modem. Otherwise, it will probably tell you to put the settings into your router. I'm just guessing here, I didn't go all the way through it. Try it with your current setup and see how it works. Either you will be able to create the account or you won't. BTW, the correct link is »https://activatemydsl.verizon.net/
*EDIT* I second going with the new equipment as well. Tom is the one to listen to here. Just save that old one as a backup. |
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borredo
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join:2004-03-29
Allentown, PA | reply to borredo
oh yeah, I forgot, you have to change your user name and password from the 3rd party provider to your verizon user name and password at the netgear router's login page.
i think that should be it? |
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tschmidt
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| reply to bob12564
The B90-36R516 is the same modem I have. As others have pointed out it is rather old and no longer supported, got mine in 2000 and is a modem only.
The modem should work with the new connection. Since your previous ADSL was a reseller they should be using the same ATM settings.
Having said that I would advise against continuing to use the old router. I'm in the process of upgrading my home network and just replaced the B90 modem and Multitech RF500 router with a Netopia 3346N router/modem combo. Something I had not expected was that connect speed improved. I'm on the 1500/384 plan speed test typically reported in high 1300 low 1400's. With the new modem/router consistently hit low 1500 typically 1505. Don't know if the bottleneck was the modem or router but am very happy with the "free" speed boost.
The other reason to use new modem is that ADSL specifications have evolved, there are currently five versions of the ITU ADSL spec. New modems support all five. So that as Verizon rolls out new improved DSLAMs your modem will automatically be able to take advantage of the upgrade.
I'd set the new connection up using the new router then reconfigure it to bridge mode so you can use your wireless router. If you are not comfortable doing that Verizon offers a wireless router. If you order that option it replaces both the modem and your router. Given this is a supported product tech support will be more helpful with problems in the future then if you are using non Verizon equipment.
/Tom
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borredo
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| reply to bob12564
If your router is already logging in, it should be a simple matter to activate with the 6100, set the 6100 to bridge without the router in the mix, then simply connect the router....should be good to go...the 6100 is now simply a dumb modem, just passes the signal to the netgear router.
corrections welcome |
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bob12564
join:2007-07-09
Patterson, NY
| reply to borredo
Thanks for the replies.
I seldom use the Netgear router and typically have the modem cabled directly to the PC.
However, we now have a laptop and that's when I bought the Netgear router so we could take advantage of the wireless capabilities in the laptop. When I use that configuration, I do indeed let the router do the login.
My present DSL account is set up for 1.5M, and speed tests tell me that I'm getting it. I never saw a reason to upgrade the equipment.
OK, I see the handwriting on the wall and I will try to activate the account with the 6100. Is it true that the activation website (www.activatemydsl.verizon.net) has the capability of configuring the 6100? Remember that I don't want to use the Verizon CD, which, by the way, they forgot to send me!
If I can get the 6100 configured as a bridge, do I have to make any changes in the Netgear Router? Netgear's tech support must be in the next office to Verizon's, and they been just as unhelpful.
Thanks again! |
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borredo
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| reply to bob12564
The B90-36R516 is obsolete (not supported anymore), it was the first modem I used back in 99' when I first signed up for VOL. I got a new one about 4 years ago the 2200. I kept the old one for a backup. A couple years ago I tried it to see if it still worked, and it didn't so I flipped it.
Bridging the 6100 is rather easy, I think it's probably time for you to upgrade, that way you'll have a modem that's supported by verizon.
BTW: When I did replace the old modem with the 2200 I did get better test results for my connection.
good luck |
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Jodokast96
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| reply to bob12564
I would think you should be okay using what you currently have. If not, due to some change in the registration process, you might have to switch to the 6100 for the sign up, at which point you can switch back to the old one, but I don't think you will have to. One question though. Do you know that you can have the router handle the login automatically for you instead of the login prompt? Just asking since I'm not sure if it's your preference to manually login in, or if you thought that was the only way to do it. Doing it manually just seems (to me) to make the router moot. |
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