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| reply to wapu Re: Windows to become Adware and User Data Collection Service
said by wapu :Maybe they are applying for the patent to keep anyone else from doing it?  Given there are lots of patent leaches out there like NTP, and the very sad state of the patent office, its almost to the point that you have to patent everything in sight to protect yourself and your clients from these dirt bags, and given that who discovered or invented the technology in question doesn't seem to matter, just who patents it first, companies have to defend themselves and their clients from all sorts of stupidity courtesy of the fiasco called the US Patent Office.
If it was up to me I'd trash the whole system and start over as that is the only way this mess is going to get fixed.
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| reply to Psicop said by Psicop :Nah! They are just too scared of the increased Linux, Mac and other OS users. Hope one day this company goes into oblivion. Do what I did.. When I needed to get an OS, I bought Win 2000 SP4 off EBay for $20 total. I LOVE IT! If M$ gets smart, I will get either Mac or Linux...
I have a high ranking relative (by marriage) that works for M$ and I can't stand M$. LOL -- Don't Forever Alter Your Computer! Don't Install or Use Anything with Kaspersky or AOL, including AOL Active Virus Shield!
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| reply to ilago Microsoft to test ad-supported version of Works
From Reuters Aug 2, 2007: quote: Microsoft Corp. said on Wednesday it will offer a free, advertising-supported version of its basic productivity software, Microsoft Works, as part of a test program with computers manufacturers.
The world's largest software maker has been pondering the future of Microsoft Works, its basic spreadsheet and word processing software, in the face of rising competition from Google Inc.'s suite of business software services.
Unlike Google Docs and Spreadsheets, which are delivered through an Internet browser, Microsoft plans to pre-install Works on computers and display advertisements stored in cache. The software normally retails for $39.99.
When a user connects to the Internet while using Works, that cache of ads will refresh, said Melissa Stern, a Microsoft senior product manager in the Office group.
The company plans to roll out the advertising-supported Microsoft Works SE 9 in a few months. Microsoft would not disclose either the PC makers with which it was working or the markets for the test program.
Google and other Internet rivals are threatening to topple Microsoft's dominant position in desktop software with software services delivered over the Web supported by advertising or subscriptions.
Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer has said the company needs to embrace the "software as a service" movement without abandoning its bread-and-butter desktop products. The company has invested heavily in its Web advertising business with the goal of building a powerhouse to rival Google.
One of the goals of the test program is to figure out if there is a viable business model for advertising supported software, Stern said.
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said by astirusty :said by redhatnation : Back in the day, they were all about "empowering" end-users with features and apps. Strange, I thought that was Apple back in 1984: (youtube clip) That video never gets old. lol |
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| reply to dave said by dave :said by redhatnation :I don't believe MS wants to control the data itself -- but they do want to control access to the data. But you miss the point I was trying to make. Whether the data live on Windows desktop systems or Windows server systems, Microsoft controls access to the data. Already. So I'd say Microsoft isn't driving the move to server-centered infosystems; Microsoft is selling to IT people who already want that. Ah. The people are pushing for a more centralized model. Ok, I can buy that. My "people" aren't -- but I can see Windows folks doing that. |
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| reply to redhatnation said by redhatnation : Back in the day, they were all about "empowering" end-users with features and apps. Strange, I thought that was Apple back in 1984: »www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dxggOGkGP4  -- Do yourself a favor, just say no to anything Windows. |
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| reply to salzan said by salzan :I still believe MS is sorry they ever let it get out. Not sure about a prospective income, but these patents surely will cost m$ money, and I mean, a big money... -- Keep it simple, it'll become complex by itself... |
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| reply to dave said by dave :There is one bright spot in all of this. I am pretty sure that B. Carpenter, G. Vargas, K. Johnson, and S. Scott will shortly receive, via U.S. mail, targetted advertising offering to have their patent award commemorated via a handsome plaque, suitable for display on office walls. And for a low, low price of $195. For the uninitiated: there are companies that apparently mail out offers of such trinkets to all patent awardees. Google for 'patent award plaque' and you'll get the idea. Not to mention the weekly friendly letters from all those wonderful patent promo companies on Spear St. in San Francisco. |
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| reply to caffeinator I agree. 2K is the closest thing to Linux freedom with the addition of being able to run games and Windows apps without using something like Wine. You can rebuild your hardware at will without activation. Drivers are readily available. I got really selective about patches about a year ago and if it doesn't apply to me, it's not here. IMO it's the best Windows to date. I like it so much I bought more 2K licenses instead of buying XP.
I still believe MS is sorry they ever let it get out. |
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| reply to ilago said by patent application : Inventors: Carpenter; Bradley L.; (Carnation, WA) ; Vargas; Garrett R.; (Sammamish, WA) ; Johnson; Krista L.; (Newcastle, WA) ; Searle; Scott; (Kirkland, WA)
There is one bright spot in all of this. I am pretty sure that B. Carpenter, G. Vargas, K. Johnson, and S. Scott will shortly receive, via U.S. mail, targetted advertising offering to have their patent award commemorated via a handsome plaque, suitable for display on office walls. And for a low, low price of $195.
For the uninitiated: there are companies that apparently mail out offers of such trinkets to all patent awardees. Google for 'patent award plaque' and you'll get the idea. |
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| reply to ilago What I find very disturbing about this patent application is this:- "The ability to derive and process context data from local sources rather than monitor interactions with a remote entity, such as a server, benefits both consumers and advertisers by delivering more tightly targeted advertisements"
Yes yes... lets just patent the methods which "some" adware vendors were starting to adopt to protect the user's privacy and adopt more privacy-friendly business models. Companies using these methods will be driven back to their old ways rather than face potential patent infringement issues.... they will start transmitting your personal info out to their servers again.....
well done Microsoft... they must have had their best brains on this one..... |
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| reply to Doctor Four I think this post from the arstechnia forums sums it up nicely.
quote: The truth comes out: Windows users are not customers. They're the product. The customers are advertisers and the content industries.
»episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/for···08716831
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3 edits | reply to ilago Oh darn, I still use Win2K..hack dis Micro$oft...you GAVE me the OS, it's mine now. I didnt have the oem EULA.
Oh wait you cant, i removed all your crapware from this install and blocked all your servers.. Bubbye.
It does everything i ask of it, and updates can kiss my ass, i use their own mailing list and d/l manually, no drm, no wga, ever.
It's run just fine for over four years, and more in previous owner's...guess what, it's a Emachine. But it won't die, It takes anything I throw at it.
They stop supporting this OS, big deal, I got two comps on linux anyways.
I could run this OS forever, un-patched, as I, behind a *nix firewall and don't really give a dam, have for a long time.
Screw what M$ says.
They taught me alright..too well.
Only noobs get owned...poor them.
I not only learned, I became part of that hacker culture..learn sh1t people..then ya won't be sheeple.
It isn't a damn toaster.
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| reply to Doctor Four said by Doctor Four : »arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20···ems.html
There's more. Let's see how people like the sound of this (bolding mine): quote: The application, filed in 2006, describes a multi-faceted, robust ad-delivering system that lives on a "user computer, whether it's part of the OS, an application or integrated within applications."
"Applications, tools, or utilities may use an application program interface to report context data tags such as key words or other information that may be used to target advertisements," says the filing. "The advertising framework may host several components for receiving and processing the context data, refining the data, requesting advertisements from an advertising supplier, for receiving and forwarding advertisements to a display client for presentation, and for providing data back to the advertising supplier."
The adware framework would leave almost no data untouched in its quest to sell you stuff. It would inspect "user document files, user e-mail files, user music files, downloaded podcasts, computer settings, computer status messages (e.g., a low memory status or low printer ink)," and more. How could we have been so blind as to not see the marketing value in computer status messages?
The software would also free advertising from its traditional browser yoke. "A word processor may display a banner ad along the top of a window, similar to a toolbar, while a graphical ad may be displayed in a frame associated with the application. A digital editor for photos or movies may support video-based advertisements," the patent application says.
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| reply to redhatnation said by redhatnation :I don't believe MS wants to control the data itself -- but they do want to control access to the data. But you miss the point I was trying to make. Whether the data live on Windows desktop systems or Windows server systems, Microsoft controls access to the data. Already.
So I'd say Microsoft isn't driving the move to server-centered infosystems; Microsoft is selling to IT people who already want that. |
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| reply to ilago Adding more fuel to the fire:
Microsoft patents the mother of all adware systems
From Ars Technica:
quote: It's such a tremendously bad idea that it's almost bound to succeed. Microsoft has filed another patent, this one for an "advertising framework" that uses "context data" from your hard drive to show you advertisements and "apportion and credit advertising revenue" to ad suppliers in real time. Yes, Redmond wants to own the patent on the mother of all adware.
»arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20···ems.html
This appears to be different from the earlier patent they filed, but it has ominous implications privacy-wise if they follow through on it. -- "The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot) We are the Hacker Collective: Resistance Is Futile - All Your AACS Keys Will Be Assimilated. |
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| reply to dave said by dave :said by redhatnation :Now, it's all about control and restrictions. Why does 'Microsoft' want to control whether the data live on (Windows) desktops or (Windows) servers? I don't know. Not being someone who uses the product, I can only speculate. I don't believe MS wants to control the data itself -- but they do want to control access to the data. Maybe not control the access themselves (MS is not evil empire despite what some people say) but they are enabling more controls and limitations to data.
said by dave :I think Microsoft simply wants to sell product, and corporate IT departments want to buy those products that allow them to assert control. You said it much better than I could. More control is moving back to the "server" and away from the client. Again, not a complaint from me since we don't have these issues in Red Hat land (we have other issues. lol). |
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1 edit | reply to redhatnation said by redhatnation :Now, it's all about control and restrictions. Why does 'Microsoft' want to control whether the data live on (Windows) desktops or (Windows) servers?
I think Microsoft simply wants to sell product, and corporate IT departments want to buy those products that allow them to assert control.
Oh, by the way, we went back to the central server model in the late 80's when we were all using X terminals.  |
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Just wait till MS decides to do away with leasing Windows via software and starts leasing off their servers, that I don't think is so far off; but then it will be "Yer, I heard of MS once..." |
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| reply to OZO said by OZO :Second important part is moving the data from customer computer to external servers. And to facilitate moving data from user computer to any content provider now new Vista OS has equipped with deeply embedded DRM. You raise an interesting point. Microsoft appears to be moving back towards centralized host/dumb terminal model of computing. A model we left behind when the client/server model came out back in the early 90s. I'm not attacking Microsoft -- their OS, their rules -- but it's interesting how Microsoft seems to have come full circle. Back in the day, they were all about "empowering" end-users with features and apps.
Now, it's all about control and restrictions. |
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