ColorBASIC
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Re: Lies!
Show me where malware or virus in the wild hosed Apple products?
The difference between Mac and Pee Cee is Pee Cee threats appear in the wild where Mac threats don't.
When/if these unpatchable lab-only exploits ever appear in the wild, I as a Mac user will worry about it.
Meanwhile, Apple products aren't being hosed, except by a scant few security researchers in their labs.
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kapil
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Chicago, IL | Yes, thanks to a concept us IT and Security folk call security-through-obscurity.
There isn't as much malware targeted at Apple products because the criminals profit more by targeting Windows machines since there are many more of them. |
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ender7074
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said by ColorBASIC  :Show me where malware or virus in the wild hosed Apple products? The difference between Mac and Pee Cee is Pee Cee threats appear in the wild where Mac threats don't. When/if these unpatchable lab-only exploits ever appear in the wild, I as a Mac user will worry about it. Meanwhile, Apple products aren't being hosed, except by a scant few security researchers in their labs. Spoken like a true Apple zombie. Why make any kind of virus or malware for a platform that is less than 10% of the total platforms out there? Oh and by the way, note the humor in my original post or did I touch a nerve? I have yet to hear any Appleite admit to ANY kind of security issue, from hacking to outright virus infestation, ever.
Personally I could give a warm crap about how secure/un-secure Crapandtoss computers are. I'll never own one or any other piece of Apple equipment, and not because I hate Apple or anything like that, I've just got no use for a gimped and expensive computer or highly overpriced peripherals. |
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WALL_E
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| I'm an "Appleite" and I admit that this is a security issue that Apple should take care of as soon as possible, regardless of whether or not an exploit exists ITW. So there!   |
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ender7074
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1 edit | Touche! |
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kyler13
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said by ender7074 :I'll never own one or any other piece of Apple equipment, and not because I hate Apple or anything like that, I've just got no use for a gimped and expensive computer or highly overpriced peripherals. Amen to that. I had a family member that ran a small graphic design business with a Mac, and I provided hardware/software support. What an expensive nightmare that was. Second to that, my in-laws recently bought a new Dell and had serious problems. They returned it and were excited about getting a new Mac (after playing with a demo in a Mac store). They went back to the store to talk options and prices. Needless to say, they now own an HP. |
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ColorBASIC
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Way to dodge the question so I'll ask again.
Show me where malware of a virus in the wild hosed Apple products?
A lab only exploit isn't a security issue for USERS. It becomes a security issue for USERS if the exploit makes it to the wild.
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ColorBASIC
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said by kapil :Yes, thanks to a concept us IT and Security folk call security-through-obscurity. There isn't as much malware targeted at Apple products because the criminals profit more by targeting Windows machines since there are many more of them. I believe that is certainly part of it. Part if it is the amount of user intervention required for propagation as was the case with the LEAP-A worm where it required user installation like any other program including providing admin privs. The biggest is that these lab discovered exploits are often quickly patched making propagation impossible.
But the simple fact that OS X users don't face threats from the wild won't stop Windows user FUD about these threats (which was the subject of the OP).
No one denies that exploits exist, only that the exploits are ever exploited in the wild.
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WileEC
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Yes, basically what he's saying is that nobody cares about the 300 or so flip flop wearin', hippie mac users. They don't have anything to steal anyway.
All major corporations run Windows based PCs and/or servers. 99% of households all over the world run MS Windows, including now even on Macs (guess those 300 flip flop wearin hippies can't deal with the complete lack of entertainment software).
So what hacker would bother exploiting less than 1% of total computers worldwide? (for the slow, those be macs).
And however prevalent malware is on Windows, it is also easily completely avoidable if you make some simple changes starting with using a 3rd party browser such as Firefox, using a good hardware router/firewall and avoid opening emails/attachments from senders you don't know (even if you really really really want that v1a.gra). I don't even run anti-virus on my Win XP pc 99% of the time because I don't need to. It's been that way for YEARS and I don't have issues. (oh, and I'm an expert - I rip malware off other's people's PCs, so I know what I'm talkin' bout)
What the Mac people will NEVER understand is that I don't want some pre-packaged overpriced hardware that Steve Jobs signed off on... I prefer to build my own system, from scratch using components of my choice. And its choice that is sorely missing from the Mac camp. Which is ironic considering how they advertised Macs as the answer to "the draconian PC" back in the days.. lol.
The iPhone is just another example of an overpriced, unnecessary device that flocks of the stupid bought into just to have the latest sex substitute they can show off to their other virgin friends who weren't stupid enough to buy one. I mean, a) to wait in line to buy A PHONE and b) to pay 5~6 hundred dollars for that PHONE doesn't exactly make the those who purchased them geniuses.
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join:2005-09-01 | I disagree about your statement regarding corporations all using windows pcs and servers. That is not true. A lot of corporations are using linux now, for their servers. And a few are even using it for their workstations. |
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g3ski
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said by ender7074 :.... Why make any kind of virus or malware for a platform that is less than 10% of the total platforms out there? True that most exploits are now injected to create botnets to do nefarious things. Thus targeting windows users who are the majority of computers makes sense. Most malware runs on XP right now, it's got the biggest penetration, and it's easy to do. (OS X and vista are more secure out of the box.)
If it were easy to create malware for the mac, it would be done also do supplement the botnets. You really think they wouldn't do something easy that would add to their profit. It's just that not a single person on the planet has proven that it's "easy" to build a malware exploit for OS X.
Both Vista and OS X are HUGE targets for the small number of hackers who still care to be the guy who cracks those systems in easy and unique ways. These hackers are working on exploiting OS X and Vista constantly. |
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AnonShawUser
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Here's a better question for you to answer:
How many viruses/exploits for Mac, have been done in the wild in the first place? Seems to me that pretty much every one of the "threats" that have shown up for Mac products, have been created in a lab.
That means, the hackers out in the rest of the world simply don't care about Macs. And if they aren't trying to hack it, it's not going to be exploited.
Systems don't hack themselves, and the last time I looked, security companies don't actively try to hack systems outside of their safety network.
Thus, your Mac security is 100% based on obscurity. |
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WileEC
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dream on... even if a major corp uses unix/linux servers, chances are they are not using unix/linux exclusively. A lot of popular client/server software MUST run from Windows servers, or on Windows PCs, period. And as far as unix/linux workstations/desktops... name one Fortune 1000 company that uses unix/linux workstations/desktops on every desk.
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said by WileEC :Yes, basically what he's saying is that nobody cares about the 300 or so flip flop wearin', hippie mac users. They don't have anything to steal anyway. Great Middle School level troll. I know plenty of people that run Mac and they don't wear flip flops and certainly are not hippies. I on the other hand do wear flip flops, but don't run Mac. Troll again, I mean, try again.
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said by ColorBASIC :Show me where malware or virus in the wild hosed Apple products? The difference between Mac and Pee Cee is Pee Cee threats appear in the wild where Mac threats don't. When/if these unpatchable lab-only exploits ever appear in the wild, I as a Mac user will worry about it. Meanwhile, Apple products aren't being hosed, except by a scant few security researchers in their labs. I love how it's always "MAC" vs "PC" and not Windows VS OS X, etc. |
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ColorBASIC
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Of course but that wasn't the point of the OP. The OPs position was that Apple fanbois claim that Apple products are never hacked and can never get malware.
No such claim is ever made. We see exploits discovered in the lab all the time and certainly any program that can be written can be written to do harm and of course it is possible to trick a user into installing a program (like LEAP-A which required the user to provide the admin password like other program installations).
What some Apple fanbois would accurately state however is that USERS never face these threats. In essense, OS X desktops out in the field can't get malware and viruses not because it's not possible but simply because none of these threats exist in the wild.
IOW, stating there are no Mac viruses in the wild is different than saying you can't write a Mac virus.
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Maxo
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said by WileEC :dream on... even if a major corp uses unix/linux servers, chances are they are not using unix/linux exclusively. A lot of popular client/server software MUST run from Windows servers, or on Windows PCs, period. And as far as unix/linux workstations/desktops... name one Fortune 1000 company that uses unix/linux workstations/desktops on every desk. If you don't think businesses take Linux seriously you should read »www.informationweek.com/showArti···20900300
Linux as a mainstream desktop OS for businesses (and in the home) is certainly not something too many are taking seriously. There are some exceptions such as the Ernie Ball company. The two problems I think is the lack of software development for corporate software, and the second being a lack of knowledgeable people in the IT field for using Linux as a desktop OS in a corporate environment. Meanwhile MCSEs are a dime a dozen.
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macs also dont run users as admin, default windows installs do for some reason and for some reason lots of self patching software needs to be run as admin in windows.
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ColorBASIC
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1 edit | That is the biggest concern with this iPhone threat. From what I understand, iPhone's version of OS X runs all apps in root so if you can manage to take over the iPhone, you really TAKE OVER the iPhone.
Also for Windows, while true for XP, I believe default Windows Vista users are power users and not admins by default.
A fully patched Windows Vista is very secure in it's default configuration.
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ender7074
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The point of the OP was a goddamn joke to parrot back all the BS that many (not all) of the cult of Apple spew from their mouths. Jesus take off your Steve Jobs underoos and relax. No one is going to take away your precious 100% internet secure Mac. Don't worry. |
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