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Jason Levine
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| Would you put photos of children online? The director of my son's daycare decided that she wants to have a photo gallery of the kids in the center. The marketing department head nixed the idea out of hand saying "we would be very opposed to putting pictures of children on a website that any pervert could access". Parents would have to sign a consent form before their child's photo would appear online and no names would be attached to the photos. Plus, all photos would feature the kids fully clothed. (No "Beach Day" or "The Kids Play In The Sprinklers" shots.)
I happen to think that there's nothing wrong with doing this, but then again I'm the webmaster that would build the online gallery, possibly the photographer that would take the photos, and a parent of a child that would appear on the site, so I might be biased. So I was wondering what everyone here thought of this. Would you allow a photograph of your child to appear online like this? | |
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Maccawolf
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| Re: Would you put photos of children online? First let me say that I have no children. (at least not two legged ones, only a couple with 4 legs and tails). I agree with signing a consent form AS WELL AS no names and fully clothed. Unfortunately, in this day and age you have to think of all the pervs out there.
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ccallana
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| I've always been reluctant to put pictures of my kids up on this site or any other... just makes me uncomfortable. Maybe I'm too paranoid, or seen too many movies and after school specials 
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Dynevor
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1 edit | I would definitely oppose any posting of photographs of my kids on the Internet. We all know how easy it is to photochop a face or body of one image to another making a seemingly innocent picture into something else. 
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pkalona
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2 edits | I have posted pictures of my daughter here and on my personal website however neither site includes my name or address. The problem here is really that the site would include pictures of the children and where to find them. In general, its probably not a good idea although it is not uncommon for schools and such. I think including names of the children would certainly be a bad idea. Parental consent is a must.
It is a huge liability to the center should something bad happen and the website were implicated as the source. | |
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Maccawolf
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Hillsdale, NJ
| I was just thinking. I may be WAY off base here, but a GALLERY could be password protected, couldn't it? that only people who are enrolled in the school would have access, but for just a page of kids showing the different activities and such, the faces could be blurred, couldn't they?
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jjoshua
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1 edit | Re: Would you put photos of children online? I suppose we should all cover children in blankets while we drive in a car, which has a license plate that associates with our home address.
I also think that it would be a good idea to deliver the children in a cardboard box to the school bus, since the school bus will eventually reveal where they go to school.
and while we're at it, how about hiding them from the doctors, dentists, and preschools who ALL know where they live. Sounds just FAR too risky to me.
oh I almost forgot, how about build a full-size MOAT around our houses to deter the strangers that pass by on the road. you know, since they DAMN WELL know where the children live now.
in short, paranoia is not a good thing. but it seems that most are good AT it. if someone in your area is going to target your child while they're at school, it will not be on the website. Start worrying who is parked next to the playground.
outside of that, no pedophile is going to drive cross country to see your kid they saw on the internet. they have plenty of potentials near them. | |
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Jodokast96
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Erial, NJ | Re: Would you put photos of children online? No need to flame those who would choose not to. State you would, state your reasons for it, and move to troll the next forum. | |
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jaykaykay
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| In short, for those who feel they want to sign on to something like this, let them make their own decisions. However, were I asked for a release, they wouldn't get one. Sure, I've posted images of children here, but that's not the same thing as a pre school that has a connected address, etc. I can't imagine a legit reason for doing it other than advertising for their pre school. I am sure there are enough people out there who would not mind having their children on line and maybe even be proud of it with the associated pre school, but no reason I can think of would make me do it.
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Nezmo
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2 edits | I've pondered this before because I often take photos of young kids in sport activities and I post them in password protected galleries. But I wonder how big a deal it is putting photos of kids on Websites (with permission of course) when a would be predator could simply sit in the parking lot or nearby road of said school and observe for themselves what kids are there... and even take photos for themselves. Just a thought.
Edit - let me qualify my statement above... I take photos at games etc where the parents have asked me to do so.
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Jahntassa
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| If it were a password protected gallery for the parents to visit, that'd be one thing. But a free-access gallery, no way. If they want to have pictures of kids 'having fun' or whatnot to promote an image, I would steer more toward stock photographs that have nothing to do with the kids actually attending.
Mostly following along the lines of another post, about how the place would be easily found. | |
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Jason Levine
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| Re: Would you put photos of children online? said by Jahntassa  :If it were a password protected gallery for the parents to visit, that'd be one thing. But a free-access gallery, no way. When I started reading the replies promoting a password protected gallery, I thought that it would be a good idea. Then I started thinking. To keep it simple to manage, there would need to be one password to get in. (We're not going to assign each parent their own username/password.) Once one password is issued, it's likely to be shared with grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc.
Even if it's not shared too much, it's likely to be cracked because I'm sure they'll pick an easy to remember password.
said by Jahntassa :If they want to have pictures of kids 'having fun' or whatnot to promote an image, I would steer more toward stock photographs that have nothing to do with the kids actually attending. If parents sign off on letting their child's photos be used on the website, then why pay for a stock photo? Plus, we can constantly update the photos and show just what happens in the center instead of using a generic stock photo.
said by Jahntassa :Mostly following along the lines of another post, about how the place would be easily found. As it is, the place can be easily found. The center's address is right on the website. Besides, it's listed in the phone book. Any local pervert might use the phone book to locate daycares to "visit." Should we remove the listing just in case some pervert is reading the phone book? | |
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ErthBndAngel
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Manchester, CT
| Re: Would you put photos of children online? I used to work for the largest daycare corporation in the country and while there every parent was given a waiver for photos. It was really pretty basic with two sections I believe. One section allowed or declined permission to take a child's photo. The other section allowed or declined permission to use that child's photo for marketing purposes. If the site has a gallery of activities that take place at the school using these images shouldn't be a problem.
You wouldn't be the first to provide parents with a way to see what their kids are doing while away from them. I had a photowall in my classroom and I think that was the highlight of the parent's and kid's day when they came in to see updates. As a parent at the school you have the unique opportunity to discuss this with other parents. You're going to get some of the "hell no" people (waiver) but I think for the most part your going to find some hesitation but eagerness to make it work. Who knows you might find a fellow parent willing to help with website admin stuff enabling you to assign individual passwords.
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pog
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| The issue is not just perverts. There are a lot of situations... perhaps more prevalent than scenarios involving unknown pedophiles ...where one parent has fled from the other, sometimes to other states, to escape physical and emotional abuse of all types... where the non-custodial parent is likely to interfere, cause harm, etc, etc. This is potential liability (fair or unfair, right or wrong) than no sane child care provider should be willing to take on... without at least considering all the implications and taking all the possible steps to minimize harm.
There is enough at stake, I think, that it would probably be a good idea for the director to talk to local experts... the licensing office, lawyers, detectives, protective services workers... and the insurance rep, most importantly. Would a gallery be considered reckless by the insurer? Would they deny coverage? Will rates go up?
Anyway, if advertising is the goal, there is one very easy approach to take. Take pictures all year long, as often as desired. Then, right before the kids graduate, review the best shots and ask the relevant parents for permission to post. This way, nobody can go online and know what kids are currently enrolled.
If offering a service for parents/relatives, why host the site? Why not offer the images via email on a regular basis? How about uploading to a printing service (like Costco's), use a password for every new folder, and just email the links out?
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javaMan
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| said by Jason Levine :When I started reading the replies promoting a password protected gallery, I thought that it would be a good idea. Then I started thinking. To keep it simple to manage, there would need to be one password to get in. (We're not going to assign each parent their own username/password.) Once one password is issued, it's likely to be shared with grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc. Even if it's not shared too much, it's likely to be cracked because I'm sure they'll pick an easy to remember password. . . . I don't see that as an issue. It doesn't matter if it is going to be shared with grandma, it's not likely she is going to pass it around. The purpose of the username/password is to make it harder for the casual surfer to have easy access. There is nothing completely foolproof, what you want to do is lower the probability of the occasional passerby having access who shouldn't.
And I'm not sure why some think there is a issue with parents who are not getting along or in witness protection or whatever. A release needs to be signed first and I'm sure anyone who fits in one of these categories will not want to sign it if they feel is might bring unwanted attention to them.
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tigers
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Irmo, SC
| I post pics of my kids on a personal site, but I'll never post them on a more widely known site. I put one pic of my daughter of Flickr and forgot to set the photo to private and got a rather strange comment posted to the pic within minutes.
Also, I keep pretty tight tabs on the visitors to my website and If I see a bunch of ip's hitting that particular gallery that I don't know about, I'll put a password on it.
Maybe I'm overzealous, but while the internet is wonderful, it has also become an enabler for all sorts of wacko behavior.
And our kids daycare had us sign a release to have their photos taken, but not for the internet. These were just photos for the parent newsletter. | |
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| In a word? No. In more words, hell no. Unfortunately given the world we live in the menu analogy rings far too true. A private gallery, maybe, but one that's publicly viewable? No way. Not to mention the releases involved, and the COPPA and Child Protection Restoration and Penalties Enhancement Acts it's more hassle than it's worth, in my opinion.
That said, I do have pictures of children in a wedding on my gallery, but there's no way to readily identify where they live and it is with the full blessing of the parents with a signed release on file.
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| alninct
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| I just want to say that it amazes me how reactionary people have gotten in recent years regarding pictures of children, despite the actual incidence of sexual abuse declining for quite some time now. The news media and politicians are screaming about it more loudly than ever, though, for ratings and votes, respectively.
That said, I don't have kids and don't photograph them, so all I've got are statistics. | |
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| Re: Would you put photos of children online? Yes, if you show them naked or in bathing suits in suggestive poses and post those pictures on the Internet, some moronic police officer or prosecutor may give you shit. I presumed we were talking about fully clothed shots of kids playing on a playground or in a room at the day care.
That's got nothing to do with what I posted. | |
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Jodokast96
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| As a father, I too have been reluctant to post any photo's of any kids, especially my own. I may have (but not 100% sure) posted a few in here when asking for help with things, but I limit it as much as possible. As far as your specific question, I might be ok with large group shots showing certain activities or special events, but would a lot less open to portraits. | |
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MIRV
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JRSlater8
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join:2004-08-12 | I would, but not without a parents permission. | |
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clubs: | No I would not put any childs photograph on any website. There are way to many perverts in this world, who knows what they would do, especialy in photoshop.
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| Rash
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| A different way to look at it would be this scenario what if one of the families is in some sort of protective program like witness protection?
I was involved in a program at work where we tutored elementary school children for a few hrs a week. (I am a firefighter) We wanted some photos of us and the kids at the end of the school year and started to take photos, the school freaked out and explained some of the kids can not have photos taken of them for various reasons.
It's just not "perverts" that you should be aware of.
BTW I see no problem if parents agree. | |
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