Warez_Zealot
Rural land of the rising sun
join:2006-04-19
japan
| Why upgrade when you can throttle.
I like that last sentence. It's cheaper to blame your customer for the slow speeds and throttle them than to keep up w/ the ever evolving uses of the internet.
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telcolackey
The Truth? You can't handle the truth
join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA
2 edits | What do people realistically want?
1) Faster
2) Cheaper
3) Unlimited usage
Pick only 2 options
Bandwidth usage at peak times cost $$... That is why all commercial ISPs moved from flat rate to 95%ile usage based billing years ago. As speeds get higher, a small set of customers will throw off the cost models |
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Amadeus
Premium
join:2005-05-02
Miami, FL
| I would choose faster and cheaper.  I always here about cable co's speed problems but i don't see anything about att's slow dsl speeds. Forget u-verus i wanted faster speeds 3.0-6.0mbps are these morons serious!
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ
 ·Sprint Broadband D..
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Please remember:
Capital Investment is, perhaps, the most important component of a healthy company and healthy economy. Of course, all those Wharton School and U of Chicago business school graduates will tell you(When they aren't sacrificing sub-humans at their altar to Ayn Rand) that sitting on mountains of cash, and doing no capital investment, is preferable.
Capital Investment is the way that successful, large capitalist venture fuels the wider economy and benefits the whole country.
Of course, recent levels of capital investment, across the board, have been meager.
Also, if 5% of the users throw off cost models, then the cost models are flawed, and likely hallucinatory. |
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Warez_Zealot
Rural land of the rising sun
join:2006-04-19
japan
| reply to telcolackey
said by telcolackey  :1) Faster 2) Cheaper 3) Unlimited usage Pick only 2 options Bandwidth usage at peak times cost $$... That is why all commercial ISPs moved from flat rate to 95%ile usage based billing years ago. As speeds get higher, a small set of customers will throw off the cost models Well I don't buy that.. I've never seen the #'s in financial reports showing actual bw costs.. Most ISP's have peering agreements too.
IMO the throttling is done mostly due to capacities. It's cheaper for them to stop your P2P uploads than to upgrade for congestion.
I would rather have the faster upload speeds, but what's the point if you cant use it.. 
The funny thing is, when ISP's throttle, they typically throttle to 0kB/s or 5-10kB/s. That is a little excessive.. If anything, they should configure the throttling program to throttle more as more people are online, and less during off hours..
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| said by Warez_Zealot :said by telcolackey :1) Faster 2) Cheaper 3) Unlimited usage Pick only 2 options Bandwidth usage at peak times cost $$... That is why all commercial ISPs moved from flat rate to 95%ile usage based billing years ago. As speeds get higher, a small set of customers will throw off the cost models Well I don't buy that.. I've never seen the #'s in financial reports showing actual bw costs.. Most ISP's have peering agreements too. IMO the throttling is done mostly due to capacities. It's cheaper for them to stop your P2P uploads than to upgrade for congestion. I would rather have the faster upload speeds, but what's the point if you cant use it.. The funny thing is, when ISP's throttle, they typically throttle to 0kB/s or 5-10kB/s. That is a little excessive.. If anything, they should configure the throttling program to throttle more as more people are online, and less during off hours.. The only method of customer feedback cable companies understand is to cancel service and go with any competitor available.. How do you think Verizon FIOS gets to 1+ Million installed customer base? Happy telco talk? NO! From companies such as cablevision throttling their connections and pissing off customers.. Now many of those people are relatively happy Verizon FIOS customers. $29.95 Lures will not work if the service SUCKS. Conversely.. the shoe can as easily go on the other foot for Verizon's BILLING fiasco's that they like to play games at...
Eventually, they'll calculate their losses to the competition and see if it's worth upgrading the network capacity and giving customers MORE for LESS.. For the time being, that answer is NO (with limited exceptions). |
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clocks11
join:2002-05-06
00000 | reply to telcolackey
I want in this order:
1. Cheaper
2. Unlimited usage (close 2nd)
3. Faster |
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | reply to telcolackey
Faster, Cheaper and all the usage 95% of broadband customers can reasonably ask for is fine by me. |
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toadlife
Premium
join:2004-05-03
Lemoore, CA
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said by clocks11 :I want in this order: 1. Cheaper 2. Unlimited usage (close 2nd) 3. Faster Then you want DSL.
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clocks11
join:2002-05-06
00000 | You are assuming I have a phone line, which I do not. |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to Warez_Zealot
Re: Why upgrade when you can throttle.
said by Warez_Zealot :I like that last sentence. It's cheaper to blame your customer for the slow speeds and throttle them than to keep up w/ the ever evolving uses of the internet. BINGO!
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to telcolackey
Re: What do people realistically want?
said by telcolackey :1) Faster 2) Cheaper 3) Unlimited usage Pick only 2 options Bandwidth usage at peak times cost $$... That is why all commercial ISPs moved from flat rate to 95%ile usage based billing years ago. As speeds get higher, a small set of customers will throw off the cost models 
How about just what i'm paying for???
I'm paying for 12000/1000 and getting this!
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