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funchords
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Re: Comcast is using Sandvine to manage P2P Connections

said by DrCable :

well of course because those peers fully expect you to reply but you are not going to since you dropping the packet out right.

don't drop/deny the packet. un set the RST flag or find a way to ignore the RST flag so you can use the data in that packet to connect to that peer so they know you are there and will send you data.
You might be absolutely right about that. I haven't tried that approach.

(PS: I think this exercise is entertaining, but ultimately the solution is to get Comcast to implement this correctly AND support it, or remove it altogether.)


Karl Bode
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I think you'll need to get them to acknowledge it actually exists, first.

I've yet to get an official comment confirming these measures in any markets.


funchords
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said by Karl Bode See Profile :

I think you'll need to get them to acknowledge it actually exists, first.

I've yet to get an official comment confirming these measures in any markets.
I don't think they'll officially acknowledge anything (consider the ongoing invisible caps saga). But we do have some members "in the know" that have said so:

Seen HERE on page 2...
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said by comtec5 See Profile :

we do indeed use sanvines on each cmts
While you are correct that sandvine is in use and has been for quite some time, it is not used "on" a CMTS. Sandvine works hand in hand with the PacketCable protocol and acts as an application gateway.

This thread is going to garner hate towards sandvine because everyone is basing one users experiences to how things will always work and assuming Sandvine is something installed specifically to block/throttle p2p...that is not the case as there FAR CHEAPER solutions to that issue, many already built into current CMTS's which would negate the need of ever having a Sandvine box and policy server.

Sandvine is an integral application used by quite a few providers that HELPS with bandwidth for P2P, gaming, VOIP, etc. Are there cases where it will cause you to get lower P2P speeds, yes, but there are also cases where it will help with your general latency and will IMPROVE your p2p download speeds.

Sandvine even has a profile for Xbox Live clients (whether this is in use widespread is not known to me, but I know it was used at one point in my area)

Sandvines use at Comcast is not primarily as a P2P blocker, anyone who tells you that is lying or uninformed.

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DrCable

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said by funchords See Profile :

said by DrCable :

well of course because those peers fully expect you to reply but you are not going to since you dropping the packet out right.

don't drop/deny the packet. un set the RST flag or find a way to ignore the RST flag so you can use the data in that packet to connect to that peer so they know you are there and will send you data.
You might be absolutely right about that. I haven't tried that approach.

(PS: I think this exercise is entertaining, but ultimately the solution is to get Comcast to implement this correctly AND support it, or remove it altogether.)
i totally agree.

IMHO comcast should simply just let a customer do whatever until they reach a monthly max Gig limit. I do see comcast's side of things so I'm ok with monthly total bandwidth usage limit. I'm just not ok with comcast telling me how i can or can not use my bandwidth (within reason of course) prior to reaching that limit.
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