NY Tel
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Sounds like a company i want to do business with.....NOT  |
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Rick
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| What would be ethical about them paying Verizon 5% going ahead for something they're not even using?
As for what happened in the past..I think that stories ran here at BBR raise some VERY serious questions about whether verizons patents were even legitimate to begin with.
I don't think that Vonage owes them a dime.
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NY Tel
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Smithtown, NY | I was referring to them being sued by a lot of companies, implying that perhaps they are the common denominator in the lawsuit process.
Implied not inferred in this instance.  |
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TScheisskopf
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Belvidere, NJ | This is the legal version of "piling on", aka: "Throwing it against the wall and seeing if it sticks".
It's also a very good illustration as to why our patent laws, especially on software patents, could not suck more. |
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PDXPLT
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I think it's more "naivete" than "ethics". They (Vonage) appeared to have just not done their homework.
I remember some postings by Pulver back in the early days of VoIP on an email reflector. He thought one could get around patents on speech coders by using "clean room" software design. Of course, that technique will work to get around software copyrights, but not patents. |
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Jeffrey
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"I can't stand your commercials, but I love you're product."
Sure, I ripped that right from the makers of Head-On [apply directly to the forehead], but I am really happy with Vonage's services. As far as their business practices go, I don't know how scrupulous or unscrupulous they are.
I get the gut feeling here that everyone wants to get paid, and if it means suing the shit out of everyone and anyone to do it, they will.
Now, from the makers of Head-On, try Active On!
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NY Tel
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| Yes and I guess Verizon and Sprint will do anything to slow down the competition under the guise of Patent infringements etc.
So does that topically applied "Head-on" shit really work?  |
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Jeffrey
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| said by NY Tel  :Yes and I guess Verizon and Sprint will do anything to slow down the competition under the guise of Patent infringements etc. So does that topically applied "Head-on" shit really work? Not sure how much of it is slowing down the competition, or quick elimination of the competition. Who knows, if I was in charge at Verizon and/or Sprint, I might proceed the same way. As a customer of Vonage, I'm offended. I'm a stockholder of none of the bunch.
And no, the head-on stuff does not work. That is truly the bigger scam. You're better off popping a motrin. The only thing it might give you is the placebo effect that you think your headache is getting better.
The views expressed in this post are those of the original poster and does no way endorse, encourage, or limit the use of head-on or their respective products.
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dvd536
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said by NY Tel :Sounds like a company i want to do business with.....NOT and they're as easy to cancel as AOL is.
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NY Tel
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I thought that head on stuff seemed like a really big scam and would never use it but I thought it might have some topically applied osmosis type of skin absorption effect or whatever.
You are right about the Motrin though except I have an allergy to Ibuprofen, I get flushed and my ears turn bright red when I take Motrin, Advil etc. It makes me feel like my face is on fire.
Excedrin works best for me with no bad effects. |
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supergirl
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Pensacola, FL | reply to NY Tel
Vonage has ethis? Citron must have a lot paying $22.5 million for it. LOL! |
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Jeffrey
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said by NY Tel :I thought that head on stuff seemed like a really big scam and would never use it but I thought it might have some topically applied osmosis type of skin absorption effect or whatever. You are right about the Motrin though except I have an allergy to Ibuprofen, I get flushed and my ears turn bright red when I take Motrin, Advil etc. It makes me feel like my face is on fire. Excedrin works best for me with no bad effects. You don't necessarily have an allergy to Ibuprofin, but you are one of the ones that do experience the known side effects.
That being said, take what works best for you. So, Excedrin it is.
As far as Head-On goes, there is no scientific information that it works, yet some people say it works for them and others say not at all.
Alas, I digress from the OT.
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NY Tel
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Smithtown, NY | Are the known side effects what I have described?
lol this is so way off topic it is not funny... |
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Jeffrey
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| said by NY Tel :Are the known side effects what I have described? lol this is so way off topic it is not funny... There is a difference between a side-effect an an ADR (Adverse Drug Reaction). You have experienced one of the known side-effects. Not everyone experiences the side-effects. An ADR is a bit more serious; breathing issues, throat closures, etc.
Here's a unique side effect for me. Benedryl does not make tired. One of the side effects that most people experience is becoming tired. I have the reverse-side effect to it which is documented and experienced by a much smaller part of the population.
Yes, way off topic but informative none the less.
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NY Tel
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Smithtown, NY | Thanks, My internist Dr. Anna Phylaxis always tries to prescribe just what's right for me....At least that is what she tells me |
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Jeffrey
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| said by NY Tel :Thanks, My internist Dr. Anna Phylaxis always tries to prescribe just what's right for me....At least that is what she tells me :) Did you know that Dr. Anna Phylaxis is the distant cousin of Anne Thrax?
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NY Tel
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| said by Jeffrey :said by NY Tel :Thanks, My internist Dr. Anna Phylaxis always tries to prescribe just what's right for me....At least that is what she tells me :) Did you know that Dr. Anna Phylaxis is the distant cousin of Anne Thrax? And what about their cousin the wayward chef:
Sal Monella |
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