TK Junk Mail
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Re: Good for them
I doubt the citizens will feel so approving of government when their hard earned tax dollars are spent on the usual graft and waste of local government and the fiber installed costs more than any private business would incur.
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odog
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| said by TK Junk Mail  :I doubt the citizens will feel so approving of government when their hard earned tax dollars are spent on the usual graft and waste of local government and the fiber installed costs more than any private business would incur. Ummm....FIOS? Last time I checked VZ was a public company, but they are definitely a business and very much looking to make an eventual profit. They obviously believe in GPON/FTTH as an effective delivery method for VVD. |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
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How do you get that? Their TAX dollars will flow right back into the community. Most likely, all the installers and employees will be citizens of the county, so, dollar for dollar, they are pumping it right back into their local economy. Vs. Comcast, who outsources all their work overseas, that means when people pay their comcast bill, the money is gone forever.
I'm willing to wager that every dollar they spend will provide much more LOCAL economic activity than ANY return they get spending money on comcast. I don't mind if my taxes go to pay LOCAL people, who spend their money LOCALLY.
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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said by TK Junk Mail :.... on the usual graft and waste of local government... unlike our national government, not all local governments are run by people that don't believe in government. Lots of government employees believe in government and try hard to make it work.
do you have specific information that tells you the local or state government is corrupt?
or is your statement a generalization of your belief that government is automatically dysfunctional and that all functions could be better handled by the private market? |
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Yauch
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Sure the installers and employees will live in the county. That's $12/hour flowing right back into the community. Too bad they have to spend $200 million up front before the citizens start seeing their taxes come back $12 at a time. |
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ieolus
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Duluth, GA | reply to nasadude
Its a reflexive action he has towards any type of activity that doesn't spawn from his beloved monopolies.
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MrMoody
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Smithfield, NC
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Sure it will cost more, fiber never installed costs $0.
It's telling that the incumbents start suing every time a municipality tries to give its citizens what they want.
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dadkins
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said by odog :Ummm....FIOS? Last time I checked VZ was a public company, but they are definitely a business and very much looking to make an eventual profit. They obviously believe in GPON/FTTH as an effective delivery method for VVD. FiOS?
Where do you see Verizon in this?
»www01.epb.net/index.php?page=new···s&id=136
»www.epb.net/
There is more to fiber than just Verizon's FiOS.
From what I can see, this will be a EPB project - not Verizon.
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Richard B
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Portland, OR
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Excuse me the problem is no wealth is being generated. All you are doing is transferring dollars from one person to another. This is the classic broken window fallacy. You are telling the baker yes it huts that government takes his share of the 200,000,000 but the installers will buy more bread from him (not always true). The problem is you are not factoring in the baker out of x amount of dollars. In turn he will pass the cost on to the consumer in the way of higher prices and he is out of dollars that he could had use to better himself or his business like hire help or invest in new equipment. It ends up as a net loss for those involved. |
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odog
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said by dadkins :said by odog :Ummm....FIOS? Last time I checked VZ was a public company, but they are definitely a business and very much looking to make an eventual profit. They obviously believe in GPON/FTTH as an effective delivery method for VVD. FiOS? Where do you see Verizon in this? » www01.epb.net/index.php?page=new···s&id=136» www.epb.net/There is more to fiber than just Verizon's FiOS. From what I can see, this will be a EPB project - not Verizon. He was trying to make a point that no private business would do this because of the money it costs. I wasn't inferring that VZ was involved just pointing out that the second largest phone company in America is doing the same exactly thing on a much larger scale. If anything the costs would be the same if not cheaper than VZ as they have caused the cost of GPON gear to go down in price dramatically. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL | reply to Richard B
But that's what karlmarx's wealth redistribution is all about. It doesn't matter if everyone loses, so long as everyone is on the same playing field and has the same thing. Ok in theory, but in practice, it suffers horribly. |
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
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What about all the people getting access to fast broadband service than they would have gotten otherwise? That sounds like a form of wealth to me. Government pays for other things like voting machines that don't create wealth, but we still want them |
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yock
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Fairfield, OH | reply to odog
No, he was making the point that no private company has yet wanted to do this in the region because of the cost. If private industry sees this as an inviable option, turning it into a government project doesn't suddenly make it fiscally responsible. |
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Yauch
join:2005-06-24 | reply to axus
Even with that awesome wifi connection I've got in my cardboard box in the alley, for some reason I still feel poor. |
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odog
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said by yock :No, he was making the point that no private company has yet wanted to do this in the region because of the cost. If private industry sees this as an inviable option, turning it into a government project doesn't suddenly make it fiscally responsible. If Chattanooga was part of VZ's territory they probably would have started building at least part of it already. All the private enterprises care about is ROI, median income, homes per mile. The metrics a private enterprise uses are more tight, but Chat has the homes per mile and income that would have justified doing FIOS there. It probably would only hit the burbs, and not the low income sections but the metrics are there so they would build it. |
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yock
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Fairfield, OH | I suspect you're right. My own city has three broadband providers, but none of which have any plans to offer FTTH service just yet because Verizon has zero infrastructure here. No doubt Chattanooga is in a similar boat. |
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