soldierdog
join:2007-08-28
| reply to Wo1f
Re: Total BS from BS!
said by Wo1f  :That's one way of looking at it. I prefer giving them the benefit of the doubt and take it for what I believe it is. Genuine help from people who care and more importantly, who have the know-how and the ability to make things happen, and this without compensation. I really do prefer this version. Regards, Wo1f Its a good perspective, why can't they deal with the problems in the open. Instead they choose to hide in the dark and keep the spotlight from entering.
If the level of service and intentions are of quality, there would be no need to hide. I would be the first to compliment them on their efforts. |
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Wo1f
join:2007-10-02
Montreal, QC
 ·Bell Sympatico
| I understand your point of view, and in times of frustration, I imagine I could easily agree with you... but. I have just tried this new service, and believe me that I stand by my original statements. This is where good things happen. Less than 2 hours after my original post, the problem was solved, and to my complete satisfaction. This is the real thing.
As for maintaining a public forum for these purposes, there was simply too much personal information (to my liking), that it would of discouraged me from posting in the first place. It also allows a very focused exchange without all the static normally generated in a public context. And I'm sure there are many other valid reasons for this.
On the other hand, Sympatico does need the good publicity that these experts would generate and deserve. But that's something I can contribute to in my own way... as I'm doing now.
This is a great initiative (that worked in my case) and a very efficient service by very competent Sympatico employees that do care.
I have been converted.
Best regards,
Wo1f |
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soldierdog
join:2007-08-28
| Interesting post @Wolf. I'm glad it worked out for you. It would be easy to move the private information into an email which is what happened in my case. Also, my telephone conversations which would have private information obviously wouldn't wind up on here.
I am happy that your problems were resolved very quickly, all the more reason to post everything other than necessary information for all to see whether it be good or bad.
Someone could benefit from the help you received, or the lack of help others have deceived, I mean received. Must be a Freudian slip. |
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newf7
join:2007-09-11
Brampton, ON | said by soldierdog :
...or the lack of help others have deceived, I mean received. Must be a Freudian slip.
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Bell_Abused
join:2006-10-07
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to soldierdog
If the "Direct" forum works for people then thats great and what matters.
Without giving your private info, you can always share on this forum what the issue was and how it was solved to help others out in the same boat.
So I won't knock the other forum, since its doing its job. one person already shared that there is a problem with the 76.67.x.x block of IP's.
So something like this being shared with the rest of the community is worth it. Helps many out.
But to try and bring a topic like the CRTC lie out of the public... well that should be addressed to all. Many have been given the CRTC lie excuse from reps, billing and exec's. |
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-29
Canada
·Bell Sympatico
| said by Bell_Abused :But to try and bring a topic like the CRTC lie out of the public... well that should be addressed to all. Many have been given the CRTC lie excuse from reps, billing and exec's. Agreed, and I don't believe anyone from Bell has asked any user to stop from making those posts. The Direct forum is intended to fix single user issues that have found no resolution using normal means.
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New season starts October 3rd - GO SENS GO |
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Bell_Abused
join:2006-10-07
·Bell Sympatico
| said by Deadpool :said by Bell_Abused :But to try and bring a topic like the CRTC lie out of the public... well that should be addressed to all. Many have been given the CRTC lie excuse from reps, billing and exec's. Agreed, and I don't believe anyone from Bell has asked any user to stop from making those posts. The Direct forum is intended to fix single user issues that have found no resolution using normal means. True. I may have wored it wrong. I apologize.
In fact it was one of Don's team members (A "Direct" forum team person) who offered specific help in this CRTC situation and what was said about the CRTC by sympatico for this specific issue and person for resolution.
I worded it wrong, and you are correct.
However, I still think (in my belief) that this issue which has now comes from all venues (Billing, Reps and Executive Office) be discussed openly. Too many people in a short period of time have mentioned this.
So I stand corrected, but I would like to see Bell address the issue openly and assure the public/us, that this will be corrected in the near future.
In my belief its wrong to tell people its the CRTC's fault for mandating B/W limits. Plain and simple.
However, I also think each person told this lie to bring the topic up in the "direct forum" so Don's team can further investigate and correct this issue and weed out the person(s) who is/are the root cause of this lie. |
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Wo1f
join:2007-10-02
Montreal, QC
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to soldierdog
said by soldierdog :snip... I am happy that your problems were resolved very quickly, all the more reason to post everything other than necessary information for all to see whether it be good or bad. Someone could benefit from the help you received... snip... Fair enough.
I recently renegotiated my contract for a better rate. I was on an old package that included long-distance phone calls. This was offered by Bell many many years ago. Some of you might still be using that profile (Sympatico HSE MC et Interrurbain). That's the 5056000/800000 profile on fastpath (in my case). The cost to me was in the low fifties. I also knew that I was going to lose the "unlimited" portion of that profile, but that was a non-issue as my family's bandwidth usage never goes beyond 5 GB's/month.
During my conversation with the Sympatico agent, I mentioned many times that I was completely satisfied with the reliability and availability of the current service and there was no need to change it in any way whatsoever. Well, some days later I received a new modem and less than 24 hours after connecting it, my profile was bumped to 6016000/800000 and interleave.
In the meantime, when I received my first bill post profile change... I realized that Sympatico had added a new page with the proper charges and credits, but that the Bell portion was still charging me the fees from the old profile. After a no less than 3 hour telephone session with many different departments within Bell and Sympatico, no one could make the changes stick. That was not a pleasant experience and is still ongoing. This part of the equation has now been taken over by a very helpful supervisor, who has my file on her desk until this is digested by the internal processes (which takes time) and confirmed to be resolved. I am satisfied with this arrangement and believe her concern and wishes for this to be resolved to my satisfaction as genuine.
Now for my other (non-critical) problem which has been taken care of so quickly by the experts in the "sympatico-direct" forum, had to do with the most important quality that the old profile offered... fastpath. Yes, we are a bunch of nutsy gamers in my family! The upload was also not up to speed even though the "sync" was unchanged. That's been taking care of (to my complete satisfaction) and I'm still on the 6016000/800000 profile hitting the max (up/down) just about anywhere in North America. I've also received 2 follow-up calls from the Sympatico technician today to confirm my satisfaction. This is what I call going beyond and above the call of duty.
So in conclusion, the "sympatico-direct" forum allowed me to present my situation to the experts that could actually do something about it, without me having to go through Sympatico's tier 1 front-line support again, knowing full well that this support level could not do anything about it to begin with. And we all know how difficult it can be to be referred to tier 2 technicians.
Bottom line is, I managed to get a lower monthly rate with a speed increase to boot without losing my beloved fastpath. And even though it wasn't smooth sailing, the individual efforts demonstrated by many Sympatico employees has simply confirmed to me that the current problems they are experiencing is more likely due to an unforgiving business process (which is not flexible enough to quickly and efficiently cater to the special problems that a lot of us here are afflicted with), than Sympatico employees out to get you. And to put things in perspective, you do realize that we only represent a very very small percentage of Sympatico's customer base.
Nevertheless, an initiative was started by concerned Sympatico experts right here where the action is. I just don't see this anywhere else when dealing with such heavyweigths as Bell. I'm also a little bit surprise that this would be perceived as an attempt to hide problems from public view. Again, IMHO, it's just as easy to see this as an honest attempt by concerned Sympatico experts to solve our "special" problems. What are you all waiting for???
I don't believe that my issues (and resolution) will be helpful to anyone else, except maybe to remind frustrated members that have serious issues with Sympatico that the majority of Sympatico's employees do go above and beyond the call of duty, and certainly do not merit to be demeaned as I've seen it done here. That's just nasty.
Best regards,
Wo1f |
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AguyPeriod
@bell.ca
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said by Deadpool : Agreed, and I don't believe anyone from Bell has asked any user to stop from making those posts. The Direct forum is intended to fix single user issues that have found no resolution using normal means. If a Support forum on a 3rd party website is the BEST place you can get service for a product you have from a MAJOR Corporation that offers professional 24/7/365.. There's a whole heck of a lot more wrong than what meets the eye.. |
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Aguyperiod
@bell.ca | offers professional 24/7/365.. There's a whole heck of a lot more wrong than what meets the eye..
professional Help 24/7/265... is what i meant to type. |
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AguyPeriod
@bell.ca
| reply to Wo1f
said by Wo1f :said by soldierdog :snip... I am happy that your problems were resolved very quickly, all the more reason to post everything other than necessary information for all to see whether it be good or bad. Someone could benefit from the help you received... snip... Fair enough. I recently renegotiated my contract for a better rate. I was on an old package that included long-distance phone calls. This was offered by Bell many many years ago. Some of you might still be using that profile (Sympatico HSE MC et Interrurbain). That's the 5056000/800000 profile on fastpath (in my case). The cost to me was in the low fifties. I also knew that I was going to lose the "unlimited" portion of that profile, but that was a non-issue as my family's bandwidth usage never goes beyond 5 GB's/month. During my conversation with the Sympatico agent, I mentioned many times that I was completely satisfied with the reliability and availability of the current service and there was no need to change it in any way whatsoever. Well, some days later I received a new modem and less than 24 hours after connecting it, my profile was bumped to 6016000/800000 and interleave. In the meantime, when I received my first bill post profile change... I realized that Sympatico had added a new page with the proper charges and credits, but that the Bell portion was still charging me the fees from the old profile. After a no less than 3 hour telephone session with many different departments within Bell and Sympatico, no one could make the changes stick. That was not a pleasant experience and is still ongoing. This part of the equation has now been taken over by a very helpful supervisor, who has my file on her desk until this is digested by the internal processes (which takes time) and confirmed to be resolved. I am satisfied with this arrangement and believe her concern and wishes for this to be resolved to my satisfaction as genuine. Now for my other (non-critical) problem which has been taken care of so quickly by the experts in the "sympatico-direct" forum, had to do with the most important quality that the old profile offered... fastpath. Yes, we are a bunch of nutsy gamers in my family! The upload was also not up to speed even though the "sync" was unchanged. That's been taking care of (to my complete satisfaction) and I'm still on the 6016000/800000 profile hitting the max (up/down) just about anywhere in North America. I've also received 2 follow-up calls from the Sympatico technician today to confirm my satisfaction. This is what I call going beyond and above the call of duty. So in conclusion, the "sympatico-direct" forum allowed me to present my situation to the experts that could actually do something about it, without me having to go through Sympatico's tier 1 front-line support again, knowing full well that this support level could not do anything about it to begin with. And we all know how difficult it can be to be referred to tier 2 technicians. Bottom line is, I managed to get a lower monthly rate with a speed increase to boot without losing my beloved fastpath. And even though it wasn't smooth sailing, the individual efforts demonstrated by many Sympatico employees has simply confirmed to me that the current problems they are experiencing is more likely due to an unforgiving business process (which is not flexible enough to quickly and efficiently cater to the special problems that a lot of us here are afflicted with), than Sympatico employees out to get you. And to put things in perspective, you do realize that we only represent a very very small percentage of Sympatico's customer base. Nevertheless, an initiative was started by concerned Sympatico experts right here where the action is. I just don't see this anywhere else when dealing with such heavyweigths as Bell. I'm also a little bit surprise that this would be perceived as an attempt to hide problems from public view. Again, IMHO, it's just as easy to see this as an honest attempt by concerned Sympatico experts to solve our "special" problems. What are you all waiting for??? I don't believe that my issues (and resolution) will be helpful to anyone else, except maybe to remind frustrated members that have serious issues with Sympatico that the majority of Sympatico's employees do go above and beyond the call of duty, and certainly do not merit to be demeaned as I've seen it done here. That's just nasty. Best regards, Wo1f You've got to be joking. 3 or 4 people taking that extra step is a far cry from the majority of Bell Employees.
You've also mentioned Expert Far too many times as I am sure they're quite adept at doing their Job but are far from an EXPERT in the field of ADSL technology witch they are supporting.
As for the demeaning of BS employees, I honestly think it's more a case of "call it like you see it" or "their (BS employees) actions speak a million words" and we just can't help ourselves from posting the lack on actualy helpful/useful words of wisdom they actually provide.. Perhaps if BS TSR-1 group were maybe a little more knowledgeable/experienced with the product they support and how it works instead of taking a crash coarse on how to BS a customer they may be of more help..
That's just my 2 cents..
But yes the Direct forum is a wondrous way to keep problems at bay and out of the publics eye appose to actually keeping things public minues their personal/private information.. I agree that's an awesome crowd/damage control method! |
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EcHoMaN
join:2003-05-04
Toronto, ON
1 edit | reply to AguyPeriod
said by AguyPeriod :said by Deadpool : Agreed, and I don't believe anyone from Bell has asked any user to stop from making those posts. The Direct forum is intended to fix single user issues that have found no resolution using normal means. If a Support forum on a 3rd party website is the BEST place you can get service for a product you have from a MAJOR Corporation that offers professional 24/7/365.. There's a whole heck of a lot more wrong than what meets the eye.. Yes, sad state of affairs when 95%+ of Sympatico customers are subject to current treatment, or lack thereof.
That's what happens when a company gets so big. They've pretty much done away with first tier knowledgeable support and 2nd tier+ can never be reached because first tier are just doing their job(script reading)and hanging up, or puttin you on hold, hoping you will bugger off. Bell couldn't care less as if anyone decides to go elsewhere they will still rake in a portion. Let's not even get into how Sympatico doesn't really need to try and keep it's customers around because of their subscriber rate, plus+contracts+cancel fees. Beg to differ? Call them up. |
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AguyPeriod
@bell.ca
| They may *THINK* they don't need their customers but if everyone left and paid their cancelation fees etc what would they do next month with no customers? Not to say that would EVER happen but with more and more people leaving Bell sooner or later they're going to look in the old BS pocket book and start to notice it's not near as thick as it once was and that will make someone think atleast for a second as to why?
Do you really think after an X amount of time someone that was once treated so poorly from a major corp would ever think to switch back once they've found themselves in a comfy little nook with their new ISP/phone provider and are being treated like a customer should appose to how they *BS* Want to treat you? I doubt it and they'd be somewhat a fool if they did just asking to be kicked around again like a rock on the curb.. |
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Wo1f
join:2007-10-02
Montreal, QC
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to AguyPeriod
said by AguyPeriod :
You've got to be joking. 3 or 4 people taking that extra step is a far cry from the majority of Bell Employees. AguyPeriod, you are reading me wrong. I have a list of Sympatico employees that I've dealt with, which is just as long as "newf". Taking into account Sympatico guidelines that these employees are governed by, the majority of them have tried very hard to help me.
said by AguyPeriod :
You've also mentioned Expert Far too many times as I am sure they're quite adept at doing their Job but are far from an EXPERT in the field of ADSL technology witch they are supporting. Within the context of the "Sympatico-direct" forum? How would you know? Please elaborate. And my question to you at this point is, have you tried this service?
said by AguyPeriod :
As for the demeaning of BS employees, I honestly think it's more a case of "call it like you see it" or "their (BS employees) actions speak a million words" and we just can't help ourselves from posting the lack on actualy helpful/useful words of wisdom they actually provide.. Perhaps if BS TSR-1 group were maybe a little more knowledgeable/experienced with the product they support and how it works instead of taking a crash coarse on how to BS a customer they may be of more help.. That's just my 2 cents.. In some documented cases, yes, I agree with you that replies from tier 1 support have been less than adequate and in others... flat out wrong and dangerous (again I am talking from experience). Part of my problem with your above quoted comment though, has to do with the "generalization" angle of your (and others) approach. The other part has to do with "expectations". Do you seriously expect tier 1 support to solve most of the problems presented here? Should I blame the employees for this state of affairs? As I've mentioned before, I do not see this as an employee problem but rather the process supporting them which is failing us, the special cases. But then, we also have to take into consideration the infamous "ROI". See where I'm going with this.
As far as my (the consumer) expectations are concerned;
1) I would want to see in place a more flexible billing process and rates that actually reflect delivered bandwidth versus advertised rates for any given official package versus crediting a subscriber after the fact. That's just common sense and good business practice. But again, this has to do with a process (billing process) and the guidlines it imposes on the employees that have to adhere to it.
2) I would also like to see a "triage" mechanism that tier 1 support employees could use to elevate a special case without having to go through the dreaded scripted troubleshooting steps more than once. And again, this is a process issue.
But this is what needs to be fine-tuned IMHO.
It's these current processes that have failed me initially, and it's the employees that have gone the extra mile to correct this for me. It says a lot about the character of these employees and confirms to me, that their is hope for Sympatico notwithstanding it's size to fine tune these processes to be more consumer friendly.
said by AguyPeriod :
But yes the Direct forum is a wondrous way to keep problems at bay and out of the publics eye appose to actually keeping things public minues their personal/private information.. I agree that's an awesome crowd/damage control method! And this is exactly the type of "speculative" conclusion that is simply not based on facts, and is a personal one, yours. Let's agree to disagree on this one. And let me reiterate once more, a major benefit from the other side of this medal...
said by Wo1f :It also allows a very focused exchange without all the static normally generated in a public context. I would also not be surprised to see many more users of the "Symaptico-direct" forum publish their experiences as I have done. But that's a personal decision.
Best regards,
Wolf |
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soldierdog
join:2007-08-28
| said by Wo1f :I would also not be surprised to see many more users of the "Symaptico-direct" forum publish their experiences as I have done. But that's a personal decision. Best regards, Wolf Many of us have published the positive side, when in fact it happened. I was on of those people. However, correcting one mistake quickly doesn't in my books justify not posting when things are done incorrectly. Assuming some type of recency and halo effect from a single positive outcome simply is not representative of the real overall customer service and borderline if not outright fraudulent activities. |
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Wo1f
join:2007-10-02
Montreal, QC
·Bell Sympatico
1 edit | said by soldierdog :...snip However, correcting one mistake quickly doesn't in my books justify not posting when things are done incorrectly. ...snip I agree. But I would be genuinely surprised if that where the case when dealing with the "Sympatico-direct" forum --> here at DSLReports.
Best regards,
Wolf
Note: Edit to clarify that I was referring to the new "Sympatico-Direct" forum located here at DSLReports. |
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soldierdog
join:2007-08-28
| said by Wo1f :said by soldierdog :...snip However, correcting one mistake quickly doesn't in my books justify not posting when things are done incorrectly. ...snip I agree. But I would be genuinely surprised if that where the case when dealing with "Sympatico-direct". Best regards, Wolf Well then you apparently either think several of us are full of shit or you can't read. Which is it? |
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Wo1f
join:2007-10-02
Montreal, QC
·Bell Sympatico
| said by soldierdog :Well then you apparently either think several of us are full of shit or you can't read. Which is it? Neither (that I am aware of). But now that you mention it, I did have to pay close attention to this sentence, which I'm not sure I got right.
said by soldierdog :Assuming some type of recency and halo effect from a single positive outcome simply is not representative of the real overall customer service and borderline if not outright fraudulent activities. Can you clarify for me as "english" is not my native language. If you would also be so kind as to link me to some threads that would shed some light on the reason for your reply, I would be more than happy to read you (notwithstanding interpretation difficulties).
Best regards,
Wolf |
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newf7
join:2007-09-11
Brampton, ON
1 edit | said by Wo1f :
Can you clarify for me as "english" is not my native language. If you would also be so kind as to link me to some threads that would shed some light on the reason for your reply, I would be more than happy to read you (notwithstanding interpretation difficulties).
Soldierdog can correct me if I'm mistaken but I believe what he's saying is that your positive experience with BS is "unusual"; not representative of the experience most are likely to have. |
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soldierdog
join:2007-08-28
| said by newf7 : said by Wo1f :
Can you clarify for me as "english" is not my native language. If you would also be so kind as to link me to some threads that would shed some light on the reason for your reply, I would be more than happy to read you (notwithstanding interpretation difficulties).
Soldierdog can correct me if I'm mistaken but I believe what he's saying is that your positive experience with BS is "unusual"; not representative of the experience most are likely to have. Yes, @newf and also the experience that we have had.
@wolf, perhaps I misread your statement but when you say from your experience your doubtful that the service would be less than satisfactory, I interpreted that as to denigrate the rest of the negative experiences many of us have had. I'm not taking the time to link to example posts as I think it is quite unnecessary. The only thing you need to do is search and/or also click on any of the several posts on this board and you will find plenty of examples. |
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