dodgetech2
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| said by dodgetech2  :Random number generator? Surely you are not suggesting that priratng cost businesses NOTHING? |
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when people with no money and no plans to buy the material take it, how would you value it? 58 billion? |
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said by BF69 :said by dodgetech2 :Random number generator? Surely you are not suggesting that priratng cost businesses NOTHING? Surely you are not suggesting that pirating costs businesses $58,000,000,000? |
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said by BF69 :said by dodgetech2 :Random number generator? Surely you are not suggesting that priratng cost businesses NOTHING? Who cares what it costs businesses. These idiots are in an arena where they are obviously out classed. If it can be done it will be done period. What about the money businesses are costing families? With no congressional oversite on health care..the sub prime mortgage screw ups, which buy the way the middle class will be bailing out and so on. F'k em I screw em every chance I get
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said by dodgetech2 :Random number generator? apparently not quite random, as the number gets higher with every new "study". |
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said by BF69 :said by dodgetech2 :Random number generator? Surely you are not suggesting that priratng cost businesses NOTHING? I have an M.A. in economics and I still need someone to explain to me what economic loss means in this context. Suppose that I pirate TV shows, and because I don't spend my money on cable I am able to make bigger car payments, so I buy a more expensive car. Or I am able to invest more, which gives businesses more capital. Has the national economy lost anything, or is it a wash? NBC may have lost, but does the U.S. lose? |
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»arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20···pit.html
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One of the biggest bombshells from the cross-examination was Pariser's admission that the RIAA's legal campaign isn't making the labels any money, and that, furthermore, the industry has no idea of the actual damages it suffers due to file-sharing.
The admission came during questioning over the amount of damages the RIAA is seeking in the case. Toder asked Pariser how much Sony was suing the defendant for, and she replied that the amount was for the jury to decide and that the labels weren't suing for actual damages. As is the case with the other file-sharing lawsuits, the record industry is only seeking the punitive damages available via the Copyright Act, which can range from $750 to $150,000 per song. "What are your actual damages?" asked Toder.
"We haven't stopped to calculate the amount of damages we've suffered due to downloading, but that's not what's at issue here," replied Pariser, who was reminded by Judge Michael Davis to answer the questions actually asked by Toder, not hypotheticals.
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said by Hangmn :Who cares what it costs businesses. These idiots are in an arena where they are obviously out classed. If it can be done it will be done period. F'k em I screw em every chance I get Ah, the philosophy of every criminal that goes thru the criminal justice system. And people wonder why so many people are in prison in the US.
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said by drdaleemille :I have an M.A. in economics and I still need someone to explain to me what economic loss means in this context. Suppose that I pirate TV shows, and because I don't spend my money on cable I am able to make bigger car payments, so I buy a more expensive car. Or I am able to invest more, which gives businesses more capital. Has the national economy lost anything, or is it a wash? NBC may have lost, but does the U.S. lose? You are making an assumption that the dollars spent elsewhere go to U.S. businesses and create U.S. jobs and wealth, which clearly isn't the case. Given the U.S. balance of trade, a big piece of your posited alternate spending goes overseas. While the entertainment industry (most hurt by piracy) is still an industry dominated by US companies and workers. So yes, piracy does hurt the U.S.
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said by Hangmn :said by BF69 :said by dodgetech2 :Random number generator? Surely you are not suggesting that priratng cost businesses NOTHING? Who cares what it costs businesses. These idiots are in an arena where they are obviously out classed. If it can be done it will be done period. What about the money businesses are costing families? With no congressional oversite on health care..the sub prime mortgage screw ups, which buy the way the middle class will be bailing out and so on. F'k em I screw em every chance I get I couldn't agree with you more. |
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the US entertainment industry hasnt made any thing worth my money in a long time well aside from House but every thing else is crap
id pay good money for the REAL BBC, Sky, NHK and the like in the US
edit and only i download House becouse i work nights so i miss it when its on and i want to watch it HD and my PCs monitor is much better then my TV |
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said by TKJunkMail :Ah, the philosophy of every criminal that goes thru the criminal justice system. And people wonder why so many people are in prison in the US. 
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Hey... I was more than happy to pay $1.99 on iTunes every week just to watch Heroes. I do not have cable and this was a great alternative. The only shows that I really follow are Heroes and Battlestar. I work 6 days a week so cable tv is out of the question since I spend most of my time online after work. All that NBC did was screw themselves over. My friends and I cannot get them on iTunes so where will we go to get them? Its as if they are pushing us to pirate their tv shows. Fking morons. /slow clap |
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said by TKJunkMail :said by Hangmn :Who cares what it costs businesses. These idiots are in an arena where they are obviously out classed. If it can be done it will be done period. F'k em I screw em every chance I get Ah, the philosophy of every criminal that goes thru the criminal justice system. And people wonder why so many people are in prison in the US. So should we effect change..or just take it?
The Revolutionary Army was "criminal"...until they won.
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said by TKJunkMail :said by Hangmn :Who cares what it costs businesses. These idiots are in an arena where they are obviously out classed. If it can be done it will be done period. F'k em I screw em every chance I get Ah, the philosophy of every criminal that goes thru the criminal justice system. And people wonder why so many people are in prison in the US. So many people are in prison in the US because the Laws are out of control, and the legislatures are bought and sold every day...
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One of two things happens to the money that we spend overseas. One is that it comes back to us in some form, if not via other countries buying U.S. exports then via foreign investments (including purchases of government bonds, i.e., the budget deficit). The other is that it doesn't come back. If it doesn't come back, then that effectively means that other countries are sending us their wealth for free, which is a huge gain for the national economy. |
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Full study can be found at links included below
Executive Summary for those who have short attention spans:
»www.ipi.org/ipi%5CIPIPublication···005AD5D4
Full article in HTML:
»www.ipi.org/ipi%5CIPIPublication···005B0C79
Full article in Acrobat PDF format:
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Re: U.S. economy loses $58 billion from piracy every year.
And that there is the main reason. Buying laws should send people to prison.
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