bryanviper
join:2002-10-12
Toronto, CAN
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
1 edit |  Phone Jack Wiring info?
Hello,
Decided to pull off the plate of the phone jack in my office to take a look (see pictures)
So there are 2 lines coming in as you will see, not sure if thats normal or not? Also you will notice that on some of the connections it looks like they attached copper to another section of copper to make the lines long enough.
Now im sure this does not effect a home phone but not sure about dsl.
Also when I put the cover back on and checked the stats of my DSL connection, I saw my max line speed drop from around 7mb to 6mb so something is up in that jack.
So just wanted a simple diagram/info on how to properly wire it.
Also any tips?
Thanks
--
Computer: AMD AthlonXP 2800, 1GB, Seagate 500gb 7200rpm 16mb cache, ati All-In-Wonder X800 XT, 5mb DSL
»www.MaximumRepair.ca |
|
bryanviper
join:2002-10-12
Toronto, CAN
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| nvm ended up re doing the wires and cleaning it up a bit. seems to have fixed my issue for the most part.
What i really need to do is run a direct line from my bell box outside right to my office then I wont have any problems. But the issue with that is my home is finished and I dont think a simple phone line will like our weather changes. |
|
Bicephale
join:2005-09-24
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Hi BryanViper,
Even if you connected the MoDem/Router directly to
Bell's NID you still need to handle the parasitics
properly or accept the consequences if you prefer.
Contrary to a star topology your home got multiple
daisy-chained taps, that's not an issue as long as
a phone signal is restricted to voice frequencies;
simply filter it out right at the root in order to
make this contraption practically invisible to the
DSL section of the wiring (electrically speaking):
use a stack of 2 filters or more for best results!
 |
|
bryanviper
join:2002-10-12
Toronto, CAN
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| What do you mean by
""Even if you connected the MoDem/Router directly to
Bell's NID you still need to handle the parasitics
properly or accept the consequences if you prefer.""
I think running a wire right from the NID outside to my office would be best as you know then I just bypass any issues with my old demarc and so on.
My problem is what cable to use and how to do it so that it will last through the cold winters and hot summers.
Thanks 
--
Computer: AMD AthlonXP 2800, 1GB, Seagate 500gb 7200rpm 16mb cache, ati All-In-Wonder X800 XT, 5mb DSL
»www.MaximumRepair.ca |
|
Bicephale
join:2005-09-24 | Sorry, i can't concur since this statement is most innacurate to say the least. |
|
daboom
join:2001-12-16
Oshawa, ON | reply to bryanviper
Hi Bryan,
Canadian tire sells a 100 foot and 50 foot roll of cat3 wiring for phone the outer material is thicker ie apparently it's made for outside use as well. ie along the house siding etc.You could check that out. |
|
Bicephale
join:2005-09-24
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to bryanviper
Hummm...
I searched around for something like this:
...but using a Comtest NID-01 device or similar...
Now, look what i found while i was fooling around:
My demarc????, BryanViper, 2004-Mar-6
Gee! It's a much older problem than i thought!...
 |
|
bryanviper
join:2002-10-12
Toronto, CAN
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to daboom
said by daboom  :Hi Bryan, Canadian tire sells a 100 foot and 50 foot roll of cat3 wiring for phone the outer material is thicker ie apparently it's made for outside use as well. ie along the house siding etc.You could check that out. Thanks but I rather get Cat5e or Cat6 just so that I can have the best possible connection.
Thanks |
|
bryanviper
join:2002-10-12
Toronto, CAN
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to Bicephale
said by Bicephale :Hummm... I searched around for something like this: ...but using a Comtest NID-01 device or similar... Now, look what i found while i was fooling around: My demarc????, BryanViper, 2004-Mar-6Gee! It's a much older problem than i thought!... hahah its been a problem since they installed it in the house many years ago :P
thanks for the pic, im going to see if I remember to take a pic of mine tomorow.
--
Computer: AMD AthlonXP 2800, 1GB, Seagate 500gb 7200rpm 16mb cache, ati All-In-Wonder X800 XT, 5mb DSL
»www.MaximumRepair.ca |
|
daboom
join:2001-12-16
Oshawa, ON | well then use the cat5 hehe I did but at a shorter length |
|
bryanviper
join:2002-10-12
Toronto, CAN
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| said by daboom :well then use the cat5 hehe I did but at a shorter length Do they sell cat 5e/6 thats rated for outside? If so then I'll have to check it out.
I'll probably need close to 100ft to reach my office.
Thanks |
|
daboom
join:2001-12-16
Oshawa, ON | Honestly I've never seen it. myself I just used what I had for years. only thing I can say my use is very very short distance say just under 6 feet to the outside demarc. So if anything happens to it no biggy i just replace it. |
|
Bicephale
join:2005-09-24
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to bryanviper
Hi again,
I'd gather from the previous image that parasitics
were handled properly: when nothing else connects
to the filter's DSL exit other than a MoDem/Router
through some twisted pair cabling it's pretty safe
to infer that parasitics from the voice side won't
interfere, for all practical purposes. In absence
of a DSL filter these parasitics remain present so
i'm worried maybe you didn't really "bypass" them.
This could be the Comtest NID-01 unit mentioned on
DSL reports so many times, but captured so rarely:
And this (the top part), may very well be what you
got since your statistics seemed to vary somewhat:
...but not so much we can be certain that the case
is effectively over. Will you see a filter inside
which confirms the bottom part applies to you when
you open the box tomorrow? I can hardly stand the
suspense, to be honest... Lets wish you find one!
What i do know is that you should try to avoid the
additional length of wire even if twisted and even
more now that we know it will be 100 feet long!...
 |
|
bryanviper
join:2002-10-12
Toronto, CAN
·TekSavvy Solutions..
1 edit | lol wow thats for the info, you seem to find everything :P
As for this filter inside the bell box. if I remember correctly I dont think there was one. I just remember the bell guy splicing the phon cable and hooking it up.
Could I not just connect a cat 5e/6 cable to where the phone line is spliced to and be done with it?
As for the 100ft cable, it might not even be a full 100ft probably less even in the 5ft range not 100% sure just taking a guess. But since it will be cat 5e/6 it hould not make much diff should it? Also it would be shorter & beter quality then being hooked up using my internal lines?
Thanks
--
Computer: AMD AthlonXP 2800, 1GB, Seagate 500gb 7200rpm 16mb cache, ati All-In-Wonder X800 XT, 5mb DSL
»www.MaximumRepair.ca |
|
Bicephale
join:2005-09-24
·TekSavvy Solutions..
2 edits | Honestly, i didn't expect to find so many texts on
DSL Reports which were related to the wiring, etc!
Euh... I think the benefit of using twisted pairs
is most noticeable over long distances so if there
must be 100' of DSL wiring then this is definitely
a good idea but a much better idea would be to cut
the excess length and to simply settle for 100' of
EtherNet circuit instead! Parasitics include many
types of components which can form an increasingly
complex array of elements as these add up and your
MoDem's ability to compensate for them is limited.
Without filtering, such disruptions can affect all
of your wiring and there's simply no such thing as
a "bypass" location. For example, cause any solid
short-circuit anywhere and the DSL signal is dead;
parasitics are just more difficult to find & cure.
Addendum
For more clarity, take a look at an old drawing of
mine. The purpose of a DSL filter is to attenuate
non-vocal frequencies to a point that garantees no
harm will be done to your InterNet connection even
if you dial or shout loudly... In other words, it
makes the green section practically "invisible" at
DSL frequencies (but filters ain't perfect, try to
use two in a centralized/star filtering topology):
In this illustration, "green disturbances" will be
stopped before they can reach the red-hot path and
hence are said to be "invisible". The area in red
picks up all sorts of parasitics including some AM
radio signals since the wiring acts as an antenna,
the shorter it is the better your DSL service will
be but there are instances where that's no option:
One other recycled drawing of mine illustrates the
difficult situation of people who decided to trade
commodity for reliability. WiFi is attractive for
those who do not want to mess with wiring but this
choice puts two parameters in oposition: distance
to the demarcation point vs distance to Wifi area,
euh... unless the Wifi area happens to be located
in the basement, next to the demarcation box, that
is! Of course, this comment hardly applies to the
guys who live in an appartment but the notion of a
demarcation point sounds radically different then,
no? This is far from being your case, it actually
only takes a filter in the NID to reach perfection
as it is known in our DSL world. Enjoy your luck!
 |
|
bryanviper
join:2002-10-12
Toronto, CAN
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| and here are the pictures |
|
Bicephale
join:2005-09-24
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Oh great!
Let me guess, a single phone cable terminated with
an RJ-11 jack connects the whole house through the
plug which is part of a monolithic bloc supporting
two pairs of screws. Bell's main line connects to
the center screws, it's the black one with fibers;
yours is metallic-grey unless there's more to see.
I'm afraid that the Comtest NID-01 (which TekSavvy
once carried) just isn't built to fit in that box!
 |
|
bryanviper
join:2002-10-12
Toronto, CAN
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| If I remove that black cap where the grey phone cable goes there is a RJ11 connector there. Which is where I connected my dsl modem to before to check my stats & they improved a lot.
Now cant i take a Cat 5e/6 & connect it to where that black bell line is connected to? Would that not work? & I would end up bypassing my internal wires to.
Or even get a splitter and the grey connector with he black top connects to 1 and the other connector I use Cat 5e/6 to my office?
Thanks.
--
Computer: AMD AthlonXP 2800, 1GB, Seagate 500gb 7200rpm 16mb cache, ati All-In-Wonder X800 XT, 5mb DSL
»www.MaximumRepair.ca |
|
Bicephale
join:2005-09-24
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Hi,
Please take note that's only an advice, the choice
is your to make in the end but i wish to insist!!!
Once your lines are directly connected together it
becomes a parallel circuit where they sort of fuse
into a complex array of taps and phantom antennas,
there can be no bypassing without putting a filter
right into that box. You can connect there and be
satisfied that you got no lossy heat-coil assembly
ahead but it wouldn't remove all of the parasitics
just because you connect at the demarcation point.
Keep it clean by "filtering out" all the nuisances
at the root, simply insert a filter into that box!
Otherwise, it's like leaving all your doors opened
in a sinking submarine: sooner or later water may
ruin the day!... Seal a filter using the thickest
plastic bag you can get, you would avoid corrosion
from humidity while extreme temperature variations
will take a while before your filter is destroyed.
A filter like this one would be ideal for the job:
There's no splitter required, that's one less part
to fail because of harsh conditions... Good Luck!
|
|
bryanviper
join:2002-10-12
Toronto, CAN
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Hmmm that sounds good. I can just put the filter into a few bags just to make sure.
Now where would I get one of these filters from? Where could i buy it online from a good known online place?
Thanks
--
Computer: AMD AthlonXP 2800, 1GB, Seagate 500gb 7200rpm 16mb cache, ati All-In-Wonder X800 XT, 5mb DSL
»www.MaximumRepair.ca |
|
