Chris2kGT
join:2008-01-08
Rochester, NY | reply to Neyland
Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV?
Well the company is going to have 100 channels in HD quite shortly. Whether upconverted or truely broadcast it is still counted by every single TV provider.
Just giving out some info. |
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Neyland
join:2003-02-04
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said by Chris2kGT  :HOLY mis-information in this thread. I had to sign up just to correct a few completely inaccurate statements. And finally yes we will be up to 80 channels HD and we have different plans than to lease....  I always find it interesting what people refer to as an HD channel. Of course there's nothing like the KungFu HD channel that plays old KungFu movies upscaled to compressed 1080 signal
To me, HDNet is a channel, ESPN HD is a channel, SciFi HD would be a channel, PPV HD, ALT HD1, ALT HD2, NHL HD1, NHL HD2 are not a channels I'd count. Nor would I count HD regional locals that I can't receive (if they ever would be offered).
Chris is correct about the antenna though. HD or digital TV (please note that digital does not mean HD, just that the transmission type is digital) can be received over the UHF frequencies, thus it's the UHF antenna you'd want to be lookin for. |
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Chris2kGT
join:2008-01-08
Rochester, NY
2 edits | reply to jimmiew
HOLY mis-information in this thread. I had to sign up just to correct a few completely inaccurate statements. Dish Network has over 4000 full time installers that work in house. We do sub out the work to sub-contractors and Regional Service Providers when the work load is too much. DirectTV is COMPLETELY sub-contracted. Does this make us better....no. But as for training it is alot easier as I have the techs here.
Secondly people should take the time to read all the promotional ads on the websites for both companies as it is explained in plain English. Most people do not want to be bothered having to read 2 or 3 pages of legalities, but will be quick to jump up in arms when they didn't do their homework. This is true with all telecommunication companies.
Also please do not be lured into believing there ever was, is or will be a HD antenna. There is NO SUCH THING. A antenna is a piece of metal that accepts radio waves, nothing more. The built in tuner on a TV or receiver is what decodes the information.
Also, yes, the Gov't. is forcing OTA channels to be broadcast digitally. Direct and Dish will not have to change as they are COMPLETELY DIGITAL NOW!!!!! We along with Direct have never broadcast in analog. That would be the C-band dishes you sir are thinking of. Ku satellite at least for the two of these companies will forever be digital.
And finally yes we will be up to 80 channels HD and we have different plans than to lease.... |
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said by np23 :said by wings10 :said by dbmaven :All DirecTV DVRs are dual tuner receivers just like DISH. That's what allows you to view one channel and record another at the same time. And if you already buy locals from DirecTV, the HD version is included. A necessity for some people - like me - who would need a 160 foot tall tower to get an OTA signal. But on the dual tuner dvr receivers can you hook up 2 TV's to it to watch separate programs? (2 separate TV hooks ups, 2 video and 2 audio outs. TV 1 and TV 2) That is what I mean with DISH and their dual tuner receivers. You get 2 TV's hooked up to one receiver. They gibe you 2 remotes. One in infer red and the other works by UHF so it can communicate to the receiver where ever it is in the house. Each TV can watch what ever they want. Saves you $5 per month additional TV fee. Yes I will have to see about mounting an ant on my roof. I am about 40 miles away. I figure that the $50 to $70 for one will pay for itself in a year or so. Unless like you say they are included in the HD package. Is TV 2 a HD feed? no........ damnit  |
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np23
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said by wings10 :said by dbmaven :All DirecTV DVRs are dual tuner receivers just like DISH. That's what allows you to view one channel and record another at the same time. And if you already buy locals from DirecTV, the HD version is included. A necessity for some people - like me - who would need a 160 foot tall tower to get an OTA signal. But on the dual tuner dvr receivers can you hook up 2 TV's to it to watch separate programs? (2 separate TV hooks ups, 2 video and 2 audio outs. TV 1 and TV 2) That is what I mean with DISH and their dual tuner receivers. You get 2 TV's hooked up to one receiver. They gibe you 2 remotes. One in infer red and the other works by UHF so it can communicate to the receiver where ever it is in the house. Each TV can watch what ever they want. Saves you $5 per month additional TV fee. Yes I will have to see about mounting an ant on my roof. I am about 40 miles away. I figure that the $50 to $70 for one will pay for itself in a year or so. Unless like you say they are included in the HD package. Is TV 2 a HD feed? |
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said by wings10 :But on the dual tuner dvr receivers can you hook up 2 TV's to it to watch separate programs? (2 separate TV hooks ups, 2 video and 2 audio outs. TV 1 and TV 2) Saves you $5 per month additional TV fee. That didn't sound like what you were describing - thanks for the clarification. No, DirecTV does not currently have that ability. Called Multi-Room Viewing, that capability is rumored to be coming "soon" - whatever that means. And since it is rumor, to me that means it doesn't exist.
And so that you don't misunderstand about locals:
- you pay for the local package
- if you also pay for the HD Access pack, HD locals are included.
But you have to buy both the local pack and the HD Access to get HD Locals.
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wings10
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| reply to dbmaven
said by dbmaven :All DirecTV DVRs are dual tuner receivers just like DISH. That's what allows you to view one channel and record another at the same time. And if you already buy locals from DirecTV, the HD version is included. A necessity for some people - like me - who would need a 160 foot tall tower to get an OTA signal. But on the dual tuner dvr receivers can you hook up 2 TV's to it to watch separate programs? (2 separate TV hooks ups, 2 video and 2 audio outs. TV 1 and TV 2) That is what I mean with DISH and their dual tuner receivers. You get 2 TV's hooked up to one receiver. They gibe you 2 remotes. One in infer red and the other works by UHF so it can communicate to the receiver where ever it is in the house. Each TV can watch what ever they want. Saves you $5 per month additional TV fee.
Yes I will have to see about mounting an ant on my roof. I am about 40 miles away. I figure that the $50 to $70 for one will pay for itself in a year or so. Unless like you say they are included in the HD package.
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| reply to wings10
All DirecTV DVRs are dual tuner receivers just like DISH. That's what allows you to view one channel and record another at the same time.
The DirecTV HD Access fee, which provides the HD mirror of any SD channels, is $9.99 per month. If you want the HD Extra pack (5 channels that do not broadcast in SD - HDNet Movies, MGM, MHD, Smithsonian, Universal), that's a separate $4.99 fee, and is free for 3 months if you sign up now.
And if you already buy locals from DirecTV, the HD version is included. A necessity for some people - like me - who would need a 160 foot tall tower to get an OTA signal. |
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DirecTV charges for local channels as well. Of course why would you want to when you can get an HD attn for $50 and get true HD for free. Also DirecTV charges for their HD channel line up as well. And it is more then $10 per month.
Also DISH as dual tuner receivers and DirecTV does not.
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Hound
join:2006-03-08
Princeton, NJ
| reply to jimmiew
I have Dish Network HD and I am happy with it, but I would
probably be happier with Directv, because Directv right now offers MSG HD, FSNY HD, and MLB EI.
The bottom line in choosing between the two is getting the
HD channels that you want.
Dish is not cheaper than Directv. Dish charges $20 for
HD and $5 or $6 for locals. Locals are included with Directv and the HD access fee is $9.99. The Dish promotion
may be cheaper than Directv, but after the promotion runs
out there is no difference or Dish is more. If you have multiple DVRs, Directv only charges one $6.00 DVR fee
while Dish charges $6.00 for each DVR. |
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wings10
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South Elgin, IL | reply to jimmiew
Dish HD. |
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Neyland
join:2003-02-04
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1 edit | reply to jeffchap
We have a 622. Local HD only comes OTA. You have one OTA tuner thus you can only record one local HD content at a time.
You may record one local HD content, and any two other sources delivered via sat.
This is a disadvantage for the Dish recievers vs local cable HD DVRs to us as 70% of the HD content we watch comes off local HD (except during football season). |
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jeffchap
join:2005-02-26
Edmond, OK
1 edit | reply to Neyland
said by Neyland
Ever try to record a HD show on CBS and a HD show on Fox at the same time with a single Dish HD DVR?
I don't understand what your problem is??? I get my locals in HD both from the satellite and OTA. So with my 622, not only can I record HD on CBS and Fox at the same time, I can toss ABC or NBC in there too. Even without an antenna, I'd still be able to record any 2 of them simultaneously.
What receiver are you trying to use? |
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fozngoof
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Temple, TX | reply to jimmiew
If you are getting one of the HD broadcasts from an antenna and one from the Sat., then yes you can. |
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wings10
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I would think you can not?
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Neyland
join:2003-02-04
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said by scooby :said by np23 :Is it true on DISH you can't record 2 HD programs at once? Only 1 HD & 1 SD simultaneously? If so, wow! Not true. Thats output not input. You can output different content or the same content from one 622/722 that way. TV1 is hd and tv2 is SD. Dish does a bad job describing this. Its like two dvrs in one. An HD dvr and an SD dvr that share two satellite tuners and the HD dvr has access to the OTA. The 622 can record 3 things simultaneously. Two of which from satellite (HD or SD) and one from OTA in HD. Numerous times while I had the 622 we would be recording three shows in HD at once while watching a recorded HD show on tv1 and a recorded sd show on tv2. Ever try to record a HD show on CBS and a HD show on Fox at the same time with a single Dish HD DVR? |
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jimmiew
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| reply to dbmaven
I'm really happy with the Dish HD DVR...it's so easy to pause live programming and resume from either of the 2 TV's that it controls. Love being able to set up favs for any member of the house. The one for my wife has 2 channels: QVC and HSN....or maybe I should block those? |
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Re: [DISH] How about Dish Network HD vs. DirecTV?
said by BananaBaptis : DirecTV is going to be the leader in HD. Coming around December or January they will have over 200 channels broadcasting in HD all the time. Clarification - 200 or more will include every local channel in every DMA they currently have, or add - and that will be after DirecTV-11 launches and goes active (more likely March/April since it won't launch until January at the earliest).
There aren't 200 - there aren't even 100 - full time national HD channels available. Getting to 100 is going to be a stretch on the national level, and many of those will be broadcasting upconverted content except for prime-time. |
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BananaBaptis
join:2007-11-25
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I install DirecTV and Dish and from what ive heard from customers is that DirecTV has been a much better experience for them. Dish has horrible support lines, they promise you things and never follow through. They have shoddy equipment such as the Super Dish which has been bugged since it was released. DirecTV is going to be the leader in HD. Coming around December or January they will have over 200 channels broadcasting in HD all the time. |
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