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ztmike
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reply to Rick
Re: Comcasts position on this sounds pretty clear to me

said by Rick See Profile :

They're saying they are NOT blocking access to it...NOR are they limiting access to it.

As a regular course of business however, they do protect their network from ABUSERS. As well they should.

I would venture to say that the ones complaining about this are the same ones soaking up 400 and 500 gigs of bandwidth per month.

And, perhaps Comcast is doing something about them...for THAT reason, that then impacts their usage overall for bit torrent uses.

Folks..i've never had a problem with my comcast connection.
And as you can see by both my posts..the help I provide to many others..and longevity here at BBR..I'm no normal run of the mill recreational user of this service.
I use it heavily.

And again..no problems on my end. Nor do I expect there will be.

The ones having the problems are the ones who feel that for 42.95/month they're entitled to their own backbone or something. These people know no limits..and their use hurts the rest of us.

I'm not denying them the right to whatever, but I do say that if you're going to need a connection like that..you really should
a)plan ahead for it and
b)not expect a residential provider to give it to you

Do you understand what a connection like that would cost if you had to pay for it yourself?
Thousands of dollars.

You get it for this price because the rest of us contribute to it and subsidize it for all.
Well, I'll tell you..I'm tired of subsidizing your outrageous usage which is basically for the sole intent of stealing others copyrighted works.

Comcast.please..whatever you're doing..keep on doing it.

I and many others love you for it.
Don't it make you wonder why isp's such as Fios or OOL don't impose these Comcast techniques to their users when they themselfs are offering speed tiers that will probably take years for Comcast to even think about raising to?

Comcast basically implanted Sandvine so they don't have to upgrade their systems to meet the growing demand of p2p..its not just illegal activities but the growing population of p2p and CC just doesn't want to upgrade their systems to meet it.

Ever wonder why they still have a 384 upload speed? When in all reality docsis 2 can support higher speeds (which some systems in CC already have.)
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Rick
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Your position has no merit whatsoever.

Comcast has and is investing heavily in their networks all the time.

Proof of that is in January, I was getting about 4400k speeds with Adelphia.
Now I see 20,000k + with Comcast with Powerboost on the DL side..and almost 2,000k on the upload side.

How can you say that this isn't a great leap forward and progress..and giving we customers a whole lot more for our money.

And, I will note..not a single dime more has been charged for all this.

It is simply amazing that those who complain about this are the ones who expect comcast..or any provider..to give them over THREE HUNDRED GIGS of access per month..for the price of 43.00 a month.

that is outrageous to expect. That kind of speed and bandwidth would cost them THOUSANDS of dollars per month to buy for themselves. And yet..they feel that it should just be handed over to them for this price.

I'm sorry..but 300 gigs per month is NOT a cap at all. It's a number that is in the stratosphere. And, if people are hitting that..then they deserve to have warning letters sent to them and their service cut off.
Comcast..nor any isp..should not have to have their network ruined and the rest of the 95% of we customers affected to make this very small base of customers happy.

What these people SHOULD do is upgrade to a business account..or split their access across a couple providers.

This is a residential service..not their own personal backbone to steal copyrighted material.

This issue is beyond old....
Comcast has now spoken out clearly about it.

And really..it's time to move on.
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TScheisskopf
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reply to ztmike
It's about avoiding capital investment in infrastructure. The sooner the average Comcast user understands that they are nothing but a device that adds money to Comcast's cash reserves, so they can acquire and expand, or just sit on that cash, to the delight of Wall Street analysts, the closer they will be to the nominative societal norm of sanity. Sandvine boxes are cheaper than splitting nodes and running new copper.

Any other explanation is either lunacy or the result of employment by Direct Impact. Or both.

backness

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or they just upgrade where there is direct competition.

People who are low competition footprints are screwed


ztmike
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said by Rick See Profile :

Your position has no merit whatsoever.

Comcast has and is investing heavily in their networks all the time.

Proof of that is in January, I was getting about 4400k speeds with Adelphia.
Now I see 20,000k + with Comcast with Powerboost on the DL side..and almost 2,000k on the upload side.

How can you say that this isn't a great leap forward and progress..and giving we customers a whole lot more for our money.

And, I will note..not a single dime more has been charged for all this.

It is simply amazing that those who complain about this are the ones who expect comcast..or any provider..to give them over THREE HUNDRED GIGS of access per month..for the price of 43.00 a month.

that is outrageous to expect. That kind of speed and bandwidth would cost them THOUSANDS of dollars per month to buy for themselves. And yet..they feel that it should just be handed over to them for this price.

I'm sorry..but 300 gigs per month is NOT a cap at all. It's a number that is in the stratosphere. And, if people are hitting that..then they deserve to have warning letters sent to them and their service cut off.
Comcast..nor any isp..should not have to have their network ruined and the rest of the 95% of we customers affected to make this very small base of customers happy.

What these people SHOULD do is upgrade to a business account..or split their access across a couple providers.

This is a residential service..not their own personal backbone to steal copyrighted material.

This issue is beyond old....
Comcast has now spoken out clearly about it.

And really..it's time to move on.
You do realize that all comcast did was upgrade your service to their "standards" from your last isp Adelphia, ever since you got on the CC wagon you say how good they are, yet i have been with them since the @Home days and CC has literally taken this service down the shitter.

Only good thing about CC is for the average joes who surf the net.

The Powerboost speeds just goes to show that they COULD up the speed tier but all they want to see is profit, granted they might actually have to do a little WORK and some money to split some nodes to reach say a 20/2 tier but my god 384,768 upload is just fucking sad. Powerboost is nothing but a PR move they use on tv to trick customers.

Also 300gigs in a month is not so uncommon these days as bandwidth programs take hold (more than just p2p) Heres some examples, Directv's Download program supposedly coming, Xbox 360 HD movies download, Xbox 360 p2p game hosting, Ps3 download service, Online gaming patches, VoIP, Linux OS's downloads.

So 300gigs in a month is believe it or not not uncommon as these programs take hold.

So Rick, you bash Atat and yet with CC because they gave you powerboost speeds that youll protect them with whatever comes their way as bad PR..yea..you can say fanboy in denial.
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whatcanisay

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reply to Rick
The extent to which this is a problem is the extent to which people are forced to stick with a company that does - or should I say __DOESN'T DO__ these types of things.

I'll just go somewhere else. Anyone who uses BT and seeds will go somehwere else. Anyone who can. It's basically that simple.

Yet there are many who can't. Yes, if Comcast wants to have these types of rules and create these types of situations which require solutions like business accounts and someone to point your fingers at, then let it be. I'll just go somewhere else ASAP.

So the problem is really that Comcast doesn't have any competition - but that's been said a million times before, anyway.

I guess that the way I see it is that the ultimate point of doing what you do, the ultimate point of having a business, the ultimate point of offering a service to customers is to provide a quality product to those customers. Powerboost is a gimmick. The caps are high, yes, but the problem is that Comcast gets folks mixed up. You're as safe downloading 1 gig as you are downloading 200 gigs. If they get you mixed up, they'll cut you off even if you disconnect your modem from the wall and hand-deliver it to your lawyer for safe keeping.

1. There are people being disconnected who are wrongly accused.

2. Comcast is forging packets.

3. Comcast is the only choice for broadband many people have.

That either makes sense to you, or it doesn't.

It's as simple as that.

qworster

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reply to Rick
Yeah-on speedtests you do!

Reply to Rick:

Are you a moron or what?
Speed tests mean nothing.

N O T H I N G !!!!!

I get speed tests that show I'm getting 10 mB downloads, yet half the time, web pages load slowly.

What the HELL does having BLAZING speeds on a speed test matter if your DOWNLOADS crawl because LYING Comcast FORGES your packets on that BLAZING network?

DON'T YOU GET IT??

Comcast has built a network that LOOKS GOOD, but DOESN'T WORK!! In some ways. it's like the story "The 3 Little Pigs" in that YOU seem to want the PRETTY house made out of STICKS over the strong one made of BRICKS!

Comcast LIES to you! They TELL you that their service is COMCASTIC, when in reality all that speed you THINK you're getting is a LIE!

But as long as speedtest.net's needle flies up, you're happy. RIGHT???

I pity you!


Rick
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs:

reply to ztmike
Re: Comcasts position on this sounds pretty clear to me

Perhaps what you should do is to just start shopping around for your own DS3..T3..or whatever it is you need to satisfy you.

It's nothing that a few thousand a month won't cure.

As for me, i'll just continue to think that up to 300gigs a month at speeds up to 20 to 30Mb for 42.95 month is one helluva good deal.

And, that not only comcast..but the industry as a whole has done a pretty good job..and in some cases..a very good job..at giving us all more over the years.

I mean..heck..it was just over 10 years or so ago that I was paying hundreds per month for a slow as molasses dialup connection. And, just 4 or 5 years ago that I was paying this same price for a 1500~2000k RR connection.

Now..I get up to 30Mb speeds with Comcast..for the same money.

But yet you suggest they're not doing all they can...and ripping us off.

Well man..I don't know what to tell you.

I just think that opinion is way out in left field somewhere..and has no real basis in reality when you look at the bigger picture.
Are there other providers who give more? Yep. A few.
But comcast is sure at the top of the list I think.
And there's lots of providers below them.

DSL is no value. In fact..speed for speed..its' downright expensive compared to comcast.

Why anyone would want that is way beyond me..when for literally 20 to 40 cents per day more..you can have the best that's out there.

We're just not talking about a lot of money difference.
Several hundred a few years ago was a lot.
today..whether it's 25 or 45.00 is really insignificant compared to that.

People should also understand that Comcast is a huge company. They can't just turn on a dime..and give everyone the absolute latest that's out there on a moments notice.
For their size though..I think they do a great job.
Even better than my old favorite ISP..time Warner.

FWIW..I do think that speed increases are coming in the not too distant future. As is docsis 3.0.

Until then, i'll just be happy with what I have.

Because it's pretty darn good I think.
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Rick
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reply to qworster
Re: Yeah-on speedtests you do!

said by qworster See Profile :

DON'T YOU GET IT??

I get it perfectly well. I have no issues with webpages loading slowly..nor with the service.

And, I think that powerboost is great for the kinds of files I download. The other day I had to download about 150Mb's worth and can't recall my speeds dipping even once below the 20,000 + mark.

And I should be upset about that? And, I don't get it you say?

I get it perfectly well.

It's a great service as far as I'm concerned.

If what you're suggesting however is that comcast should give you and others unlimited bit torrent access at these speeds..I'd have to say you're expecting too much. For right now anyway.

And, if you're not experiencing the same kind of Comcast service that I am..perhaps you should head over to the comcast forum..answer the questions in the link at the top..and let us have a look at things to see if it can be improved upon.

Plenty of folks are there to help.

Including myself.
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TKJunkMail
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reply to qworster
said by qworster See Profile :

I get speed tests that show I'm getting 10 mB downloads, yet half the time, web pages load slowly.

And how is slow loading web pages Comcast's problem? Web pages load slowly because the web servers are set to limit how fast they provide pages so that they can serve thousands of customers concurrently. Send your complaints to the content providers where they belong.
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gaforces
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join:2002-04-07
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reply to Rick
Re: Comcasts position on this sounds pretty clear to me

Doublespeak >> »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak.

Claybraker

join:2002-04-13
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reply to Rick
said by Rick See Profile :

As for me, i'll just continue to think that up to 300gigs a month at speeds up to 20 to 30Mb for 42.95 month is one helluva good deal.

So the invisible cap is now 300gigs a month? I'd heard of folks getting in trouble for 200gigs. Glad to hear they raised it


AtomicZero

join:2004-11-24
West Palm Beach, FL

said by Claybraker See Profile :

said by Rick See Profile :

As for me, i'll just continue to think that up to 300gigs a month at speeds up to 20 to 30Mb for 42.95 month is one helluva good deal.

So the invisible cap is now 300gigs a month? I'd heard of folks getting in trouble for 200gigs. Glad to hear they raised it
But who really uses that much really? 200/300GB a month just sounds obscene to me.


mr enigma

@ovh.net

reply to Rick
and BTW. who is to say that comcast isint getting kickbacks or FREE SANDVINE equipment from the RIAA or MPAA to kill bittorrent traffic? since in their eyes bittorrent "has no legal use" and we're all "communist copyright infringers" (just like how alot of big multimillion dollar corporations hate linux (yet they use it in their own networks)) - just my two cents since this looks and smells a whole lot like crap. i'm happy with my ADSL line


TreeTopFlyer

@sbcglobal.net

reply to Rick
said by Rick See Profile :

And, I will note..not a single dime more has been charged for all this.
So . . . once Comcash gets rid of all the torrent users, they will be dropping prices on internet access?
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