E DesRock
join:2007-10-29
Etobicoke, ON
1 edit | Rogers blocking some .ru sites Couldn't find any related posts on this upon searching here.
I have been with Rogers for about 3 years. I have also been a customer of www.gomusic.ru. It's a Russian owned site that sells mp3's. There is question about the legality of a site like this but that's for a different forum. Recently I haven't been able to access the gomusic site so I called Rogers tech support and after several back and forth calls I have been informed that Rogers is blocking SOME .ru sites. They claim those site are a threat to the security of the Rogers network. There's a couple of fishy things about this though. If I ping www.gomusic.ru I don't get a response. If I ping its ip address (77.220.179.14) I get a response. The tech support staff at Rogers can still access www.gomusic.ru (which was causing confusion when I called them).
Does this make sense to anybody else?
What other sites is Rogers blocking? | |
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HiVolt
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Toronto, ON
clubs: | Re: Rogers blocking some .ru sites Works fine here...
Have you tried to change your DNS servers? Try the Level3 ones, 4.2.2.1, 4.2.2.2.
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 | E DesRock
join:2007-10-29
Etobicoke, ON | Re: Rogers blocking some .ru sites Now I'm really confused. They told me they're blocking all customers from these sites.
I'll look up how to to do a DNS change when I get home. Thanks. | |
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sbrook
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1 edit | Re: Rogers blocking some .ru sites I think you'll find that the REAL answer to this problem is the 99.* IP addresses
Ask the Russian site to check their deny list ... I think you'll find that the 99.* range is in their list of bogons.
Point them to ARIN.NET using ROGERS-CAB-99 to do a whois to reveal the following ... which shows that Rogers is in fact using these ranges and should be pulled out of their deny lists.
Here's the listing ...
Rogers Cable Communications Inc. ROGERS-CAB-99 (NET-192-75-13-0-1) 192.75.13.0 - 192.75.13.255
Rogers Cable Communications Inc. ROGERS-CAB-99 (NET-205-251-0-0-1) 205.251.0.0 - 205.251.255.255
Rogers Cable Communications Inc. ROGERS-CAB-99 (NET-74-96-0-0-1) 74.96.0.0 - 74.124.159.255
Rogers Cable Communications Inc. ROGERS-CAB-99 (NET-99-224-0-0-1) 99.224.0.0 - 99.253.159.255
# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2007-10-28 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
Rogers doesn't "block" sites. | |
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| | | E DesRock
join:2007-10-29
Etobicoke, ON
1 edit | Re: Rogers blocking some .ru sites You know this was their original response but upon further investigation they admitted that the security department was blocking some of these .ru sites. I even spoke a to a supervisor who told me that. Hopefully it was just some miscommunication in the chain of command there.
Thanks for your help.
And just so I don't sound like some crazy there's others who have experienced this.
»www.aom3.org/forum/gomusic-ru/46···e-3.html
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anon5645654
@rogers.com | Re: Rogers blocking some .ru sites I'm using opendns and have a 99. ip and can get to that site without issues. | |
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join:2007-10-29
Etobicoke, ON
| Re: Rogers blocking some .ru sites In any case if someone else has time for it I would suggest calling up tech support and "pretend" to have problems connecting to this site and they will tell you that Rogers security is blocking certain .ru sites for "security" reasons. I'm not making this up, they told me this twice on Saturday and I just called them again and they told me the same thing. They are blocking sites (or at least certain customers from certain sites). | |
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now123
@rogers.com | Odd, I'm on 99.x.x.x and can access it using opendns, but not rogers dns. | |
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sbrook
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| Re: Rogers blocking some .ru sites So, it's not really a case of "blocking" the site ... it's just that their DNS server isn't resolving them.
There's on 1 technical reason I could think of to remove these from the DNS and that's to stop spam / spambots that might be operating from them. | |
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habskilla
join:2005-09-19
Moncton, NB | Re: Rogers blocking some .ru sites I thought you can block incoming and leave outgoing alone? Or does the outbound get block because noting can make it back?
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Stay away from any and all Roger's products. | |
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sbrook
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join:2001-12-14
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| Re: Rogers blocking some .ru sites You can block incoming based on IP which would leave outgoing alone. But that's on an application basis ... vis email, web server. It doesn't block some of the spambots operating with odd ports etc.
Dumping based on IP is possible, particularly with the throttling service engines! But dumping on individual IPs at a router / service engine level would result in routing tables beyond belief!
Not resolving the DNS gets rid of lots of web beacons etc. that are put on other web pages or buried in emails. | |
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| | tj_blues
join:2007-08-17
Mississauga, ON
| sbrook -- you got it wrong -- Rogers DNS doesn't resolve this domain but you're right to the point that Rogers doesn't block it  I just tried to reach this site from couple of different Rogers locations (WiFi rules!!) and had no access to it.
tj
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who needs Gates and Windows? | |
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E DesRock
join:2007-10-29
Etobicoke, ON | Well I tried switching to the 4.2.2.1 & 2 DNS's and I can now connect to gomusic.ru with my 90. ip address. | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: Rogers blocking some .ru sites Rogers DNS feed routinely gets messed up and they do lose the resolution for all kinds of sites, not just Russian ... American, West European et al.
An ISPs DNS is as good as its feed. | |
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NeTwOrKDawg
Networking is a lifestyle
join:2005-04-25
Brantford, ON | Re: Rogers blocking some .ru sites DNS feed? sbrook there is no such thing as a DNS feed.... | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: Rogers blocking some .ru sites Of course there isn't ... the DNS entries come magically out of the ether. | |
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join:2007-06-26
Mississauga, ON
| Well, using the term "feed" may have insinuated something unintended... DNS servers receive zone file updates from other servers (hence the notion of a "feed").
Rogers DNS servers have a history of problems (no surprise there)
I would recommend hard wiring 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 (the Level3 dns servers) or some other public dns servers. They are very up to date and run behind some fail-safe technology. OPENDNS is another possibility although I am not thrilled about the way they "help" correct apparent typing errors in domain name lookups and some of their other data collection policies. | |
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rbmk
join:2007-02-18
Toronto, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
2 edits | I don't think Rogers blocks it - they just tell that so you don't bother them. I worked in a grocery store and sometimes we tell annoying customers that we don't have something, when actually we do.
I think the site blocks Rogers new IPs, since I have this new 99* IP address and I cannot access it directly. However if I use a Brazilian proxy - it opens no problem. | |
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| E DesRock
join:2007-10-29
Etobicoke, ON
| Re: Rogers blocking some .ru sites said by rbmk  :I don't think Rogers blocks it - they just tell that so you don't bother them. I worked in a grocery store and sometimes we tell annoying customers that we don't have something, when actually we do. I would wouldn't consider myself an annoying customer by asking why I can't get to a site that is selling music. I asked to speak to someone who could explain what security threats gomusic.ru was introducing to the Rogers network but they wouldn't put me past a tech support supervisor.
said by Paul Newman :
On a personal note, if what I have read in many articles as of late regarding these sites is true,I am thankful Rogers has the balls to block them.
I agree that there are sites that may pose a threat. I also think that Rogers has every right to block any site they wish (just like a news paper can print fake news) it's their service/business. However I've been using Gomusic for over two years (using the same credit card through ChronoPay) and I've never had a negative occurrence as a result of visiting that site. If Rogers just came right out and said "yeah we don't agree with this site selling unprotected mp3 tracks for $0.19" I'd respect that a lot more. This is, of course, speculation. | |
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rbmk
join:2007-02-18
Toronto, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| Re: Rogers blocking some .ru sites said by E DesRock :
I would wouldn't consider myself an annoying customer by asking why I can't get to a site that is selling music.
That wasn't my point. I am not telling who is annoying and who is not. What I was trying to say is this. If you want bread, it's isle #3, if you want bread that you ate while in Arctic during the traditional midnight dancing festival - we don't have that.
Same with Rogers - they will not go into that much detail, like examining some Russian site that sells cheap mp3s.
Cheers. | |
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Paul Newman
@eastlink.ca
| I am not positive but I have heard Rogers has joined many companies worldwide that are blocking those Russian hosted web sites. This story talks about other companies doing exactally what the Rogers tech support folks are saying Rogers does.
»blog.washingtonpost.com/security···s_n.html
I have also heard of this being escalated at Rogers by tech support and the final result is they are indeed blocking those sites howeever some you are able to get to by using ip.
On a personal note, if what I have read in many articles as of late regarding these sites is true,I am thankful Rogers has the balls to block them. | |
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dkhfdg
@rogers.com | Why are you even paying for mp3s? You do know that it is legal to download mp3s in Canada right? | |
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| E DesRock
join:2007-10-29
Etobicoke, ON | Re: Rogers blocking some .ru sites said by dkhfdg :
Why are you even paying for mp3s? You do know that it is legal to download mp3s in Canada right?
Because I'm a sucker. | |
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coolsail
@rogers.com
| I too noticed that I cannot access either gomusic.ru or mp3search.ru anymore.
I can access from work and spouse's work (different ISPs)
I've sent Rogers 3 emails asking for an explanation - but have yet to get a response.
Interestingly, a friend of mine has Roger's Business Service at his office in Markham, and he can access gomusic.ru.ru (but not mp3search.ru) | |
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anon456546
@rogers.com | Re: Rogers blocking some .ru sites SIMPLE SOLUTION!!!
USE A DIFFERENT DNS SERVER.
Opendns is a good one. | |
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coolsail
@rogers.com | You're right! Changed the DNS to 4.2.2.1 and hey presto, it works. You're a genius! | |
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Kimmikat
@rogers.com
| I am having trouble accessing the site too. I have been using it for quite a while now. Suddenly I can't get on. I also tried to get onto other russian sites and no luck. Suspitious to say the least. I am sure ebay also has a russian link for selling and I can't find it now. Wierd. Something is going on. | |
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Gvidon
@rogers.com
| Re: Rogers blocking some .ru sites An excerpt from Rogers's tech support letter:
[...]
"We understand your frustration and apologize for any inconvenience.
The domains are blocked indefinitely. Any domains with the following Name Servers ns3.nic.ru and ns4.nic.ru have been blocked by our network department due to abuse and threat (DNS attack) to our network. The Ban will not be lifted.
For this issue, please contact the website s hosting provider.
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E DesRock
join:2007-10-29
Etobicoke, ON
1 edit | Just an FYI on this matter.
I can no longer access the gomusic.ru site using the 4.2.2.x dns servers or the opendns servers.
Can anybody else confirm this?
[Edit]
My bad, I can access the site, it just takes an extremely long time to load anything from it. I tried it from my work account (not on Rogers network) through vpn and I don't see these load issues. | |
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Hi
@rogers.com
| I couldn't access www.odnoklassniki.ru for more than a month using Rogers internet. Technical support declared that that site is a threat to their security as well. It's the most harmless site I could possibly think of. So I ended up using OpenDNS (www.opendns.com) servers and trashing the Rogers DNS server. | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Re: Rogers blocking some .ru sites It's not that the *site* is a threat ... it's that there have been attacks from the IP address netblock hosting that site. | |
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screwdbyrogers
@rogers.com
| I have used a streaming audio site to listen to music online for about 3-4 months. The site is www.deezer.com it appears to be blocked in the last week as I can no longer access it from home. I am able to access the site via a proxy but it doesn't support the flash player. can anyone who uses rogers access this site? | |
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Rigger
@rogers.com
| "DNS servers receive zone file updates from other servers"
That's only true if they are secondary dns servers. DNS servers cache individual records unless they are authoritative for that domain.
"www.dlsreports.com. A 24.24.24.24"
would be cached in Rogers DNS servers for a certain length of time, defined in the SOA record for dlsreports.com, but they would not copy the entire zone. (nor would they normally be allowed to.)
If www.dlsreports.com is not in the cache of the DNS server, then it goes up a level to dlsreports.com. and sees if it has any info on that. Then it goes to com. and then finally (if it doesn't have any useful info cached at all) it goes to the . servers, called the 'root' servers. These servers are statically configured on every DNS server so that if the server knows absoultly nothing, it at least knows where the root servers are...
Now, to the question at hand, maybe the .ru DNS servers are messed up? Or the DNS servers that hold the authority records for the site you are trying to answer....
Just my 2(00) cents. | |
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Igoryok
@rogers.com
| Rogers rep has told me that Rogers blocks ru domains. I can not access say stihi.ru I can do it through a proxy or sympatico. I have been with rogers seven years and now I am so p..... off! Is it technical, security or political issue? Anyway, why I can access the sites from sympatico a block away and not from my home? Need advice asap. | |
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luma
Premium
join:2004-08-17
Ottawa, ON | Re: Rogers blocking some .ru sites that is funny because I can get to that specific site (stihi.ru) and to many other .ru websites.
I don't think Rogers would start blocking websites.
Luma | |
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ROGERSUCKS
@rogers.com
| I complained about not being able to access odnoklassniki.ru. This is the response I got from Rogers:
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We understand your frustration and apologize for any inconvenience.
The domains are blocked indefinitely. Any domains with the following
Name Servers ns3.nic.ru and ns4.nic.ru have been blocked by our network
department due to abuse and threat (DNS attack) to our network. The Ban
will not be lifted.
For this issue, please contact the website s hosting provider.
In addition, you can also try to access the website by its IP address.
To find the IP address, please visit »www.dnsstuff.com/
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ROGERS SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
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Host:
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Bell Canada
| Re: Rogers blocking some .ru sites Change your DNS servers to OpenDNS ... that will get you to these sites. Rogers is only trying to protect its own network and its customers from the abuse and denial of service attacks that have come from domains pointed to by those nameservers.
I congratulate them actually for at least putting the domains pointed to by this nameserver in a partial blackhole because they are notorious sources of spam and malware. | |
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tom gifford
@bell.ca
1 edit | Yes Rogers is Blocking Sites. I have been using www.mp3search.ru for years and have been wondering why it stopped working. After much research, I find that Rogers has decided to block entire russian domains. My concern is that they have done this without a memo or any additions to their technical FAQ.
{Rogers tech chat session removed} | |
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sbrook
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join:2001-12-14
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| Re: Rogers blocking some .ru sites Was it absolutely essential to post the whole of your conversation, the essence of which is already in this post »Re: Rogers blocking some .ru sites earlier in this thread???? All it really shows is your long rant at the Rogers tech.
Rogers is NOT blocking sites ... they are just not entered in Rogers DNS servers. If you want to get to them, specify alternate DNS servers in your TCP/IP setup in windows, or if you have a cable router, in there. Then you will be able to get to these sites.
All the sites not entered in their DNS servers are using the host Name Servers ns3.nic.ru and ns4.nic.ru due to high volumes of spam, trojans and DNS attacks eminating from these domains. They've taken the quicker way out and turned off DNS resolution for all sites using these Name Servers ... it's a lot easier than tracing hundreds of domains that are changing their names daily. | |
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