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3 edits |  IF Google bids & IF they win; it will be 5 yrs before starts
IF Google bids; and IF they win; the 700Mhz band won't be available until 2009 and then Google/&OR partners would have to build a system before service starts. So you are looking at 2011 or 2012 before you can use a Google wireless system in competition with AT&T or Verizon.
As of this post, Google stock is down 1.6%. I wonder how much Google stock goes down if they actually announce they will bid and how much more if their bid is successful? |
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clubs: | Google stock is not an issue. let's face it: the company is a industry revolutionizer. their entry into the wireless market should drive prices down and increase features. an added bonus is that it should hurt the lazy and greedy incumbents. |
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1 edit | said by morbo  :Google stock is not an issue. It is an issue to their shareholders and it will be an issue in the deliberations of management when they have to decide to bid and how hard they try to win that bid. Google is now a PUBLIC company and that has changed and will continue to change the way they do business. The current Google isn't the same risk taking company it was before their IPO.
My guess is that for PR reasons they will announce they will bid, but because it will hurt their bottom line and their stock price, they will not try very hard to win the bidding process.
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Several people familiar with the matter said that the company believes that it would lose goodwill in Washington, if it didn't bid, given that it won changes to the auction rules that will force the winner of one block of spectrum to open its network to any mobile device or software application. --
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Your "lazy and greedy incumbents" were revolutionizers at one point in time...and still are in some realms. If Google enters this market, it won't be for holistic reasons. Google isn't a savior, they're out to make money like every other corporation. The difference is, they've done a great job and hiding marketing their removal of privacy for targeting ads and services....and the sheep continue to follow. |
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| said by openbox9 :Your "lazy and greedy incumbents" were revolutionizers at one point in time...and still are in some realms. If Google enters this market, it won't be for holistic reasons. Google isn't a savior, they're out to make money like every other corporation. The difference is, they've done a great job and hiding marketing their removal of privacy for targeting ads and services....and the sheep continue to follow. I find it very amusing that the same people who foam at the mouth over AT&T and Verizon, are positively fawning when it comes to Apple and Google. They actually BELIEVE that all corporations are not the same - i.e. profit seeking entities that will do anything short of illegality to goose profits and the stock price.
I am pro-corporate as many here point out, but I have no illusions over the actions of corporations and where their interests lie. It is to make money. People who ascribe any other motives to some corporations and not others merely delude themselves.
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like i said, GOOG is a industry revolutionizer. sure, stockholders will be concerned, but not like incumbent stock holders.
they will bid and win. they know the changes to the auction rules are b.s. and full of loopholes. |
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no one is blind to the fact that google isn't doing anything just to be nice. they want to make money. how they accomplish their goals is what people are attracted to. |
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the difference is corporate ethics and responsibility. my personal opinion is that AT&T and their actions are the worst out there. Choosing to break the law and spy on U.S. citizens without a warrant is unforgiveable. Their excuses that the government strong armed them into cooperating is unbelievable especially if you look at Qwest, another telco that refused to cooperate because the actions were clearly illegal. AT&T chose to break the law and get what they wanted (merger approval). Also, their choice of technology for Uverse leaves a lot to be desired.
Verizon at least gets the technology part correct, using fiber to ensure their future competitiveness. However, they are in the same boat as AT&T. They made the decision to spy on citizens of this country. Unforgiveable.
Google is a young company that hasn't been completely taken over by the greed that the other telcos obviously suffer from. At least not yet. They are out to make money, and they manage to do so by breaking the expectations of what is currently in place.
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I think Google might actually justify it's current stock price if they win the auction. Google has successfully shown an ability to succeed and profit where others have done a lackluster job.
Incumbents have done a great job at controlling their customers, but poor job of selling additional services, because they lack value. Google can become a better DoCoMo if they succeed.
The main difference here, is that 5-10billion dollars is a lot of money, return on investment would take a while. It's like FIOS, really, a big cost will bring an even bigger reward. FIOS is more important to Verizon's survival than this is to Google's, though. This is more about growing Google to its full potential. |
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said by morbo :You are deluding yourself if you believe that all corporations are the same. You are correct, there are two types of corporations; those that look to make money and non profits. Dont fool yourself, all for profits companies are exactly the same.
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said by morbo :~snip~ Their excuses that the government strong armed them into cooperating is unbelievable especially if you look at Qwest, another telco that refused to cooperate because the actions were clearly illegal.~snip~ I would just point out that Joe Nachio is arguing that Qwest was retaliated against by the gov't because they didn't cooperate, so maybe T calculated that variable in it's decision to cooperate. |
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Like letting all of their information, browsing habits, and other identifiable attributes to be used by a company solely for the purpose of making money? Sounds like other corporations to me. Just because Google has performed one of the greatest marketing feats in history, doesn't mean that life will be cherry if they purchase this spectrum. I say if, because I don't believe Google will seriously go after the spectrum...at least on their own, or as a primary investor. |
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I agree with this assessment. |
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said by TKJunkMail :IF Google bids; and IF they win; the 700Mhz band won't be available until 2009 and then Google/&OR partners would have to build a system before service starts. So you are looking at 2011 or 2012 before you can use a Google wireless system in competition with AT&T or Verizon. As of this post, Google stock is down 1.6%. I wonder how much Google stock goes down if they actually announce they will bid and how much more if their bid is successful? If Google does bid, and they do win, wouldn't it be smart to start working on the system NOW that way by 2009 they can launch it faster instead of making everyone wait until 2011/2012? |
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Actually, Google/& partners could build out the infrastructure now and then start broadcasting now. You're correct, it does take time to put up towers or whatever, but we could have something developed by 2009. |
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said by morbo :Google stock is not an issue. let's face it: the company is a industry revolutionizer. their entry into the wireless market should drive prices down and increase features. an added bonus is that it should hurt the lazy and greedy incumbents. There you go. Innovation is good.Being lazy is bad. Greed, well some greed is good. Maybe greed is too strong a word to use ALL of the time... |
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I agree with you. However, the trick is being a good corporate citizen. Make money while doing "good" things. This is of course different than making money while having a great marketing department spin. |
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I agree with you morbo. It is just facile cynicism to say that all companies are the same. They have a life cycle and google is still a young innovative company driven by the vision of its founders. It will, in the end, become like all the rest, a reactionary dinosaur run by overpaid mediocre managers, but it isn't there yet. It's agenda presently aligns much better with the interests of the public than the agenda of the ATTs of the world. |
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