adisor19
join:2004-10-11 | reply to BosstonesOwn
Re: Any one else ?
Keep using your crashy WinMO Q and the pathetic excuse of a browser. If you would have actually used an iPhone, you would know what the hype is about. You obviously did not.
Adi |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs: | I have , it's not a decent phone for real use , maybe the ikids can use it but I can't in a real ibusiness iworld.
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adisor19
join:2004-10-11
 ·Velcom
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Radioactif
 ·Videotron
·Look Communications
| Really ? Why is it not a decent phone ? And who the hell said this is a phone for the business world ? As far as i know it doesn't support exchange sync on BES so it was never meant for that. But give it some time and it will be.
You need to drop some of that lame fanboism and state some facts in your arguments if you want to look less ridiculous. |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
·Comcast
| Ok where to start ?
Can't load an exchange web panel from its wifi or even on its cell web.
The wifi doesn't support radius so as to actually secure the tunnel.
Can't run a vpn app from the handheld since they locked it down. So much for security.
It doesn't synch well with outlooks phonebook.
For awhile it was flooding our cisco AP's off the network and killed almost all wireless use for most workers.
At&t's network coverage sucks.
The phone reception is horrible compared to my at&t razr v3 which is a mountain times worse then the Q. I can't take the phone anywhere else in the world and just insert the local companies sim to save us both data and phone charges.
The touch screen has to be unlocked to answer the phone ! Why ?
I am anything but a fanboi , I am fair and balanced and feel that each phone has it's role. This one has it's role as a toy phone.
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MadDog3057
Ex Astris, Scientia
Premium
join:2002-02-26
Miami, FL
| said by BosstonesOwn  :Ok where to start ? Can't load an exchange web panel from its wifi or even on its cell web. The wifi doesn't support radius so as to actually secure the tunnel. Can't run a vpn app from the handheld since they locked it down. So much for security. This is all stuff a normal user would not be doing on their phone.
said by BosstonesOwn :For awhile it was flooding our cisco AP's off the network and killed almost all wireless use for most workers. This was an issue with Cisco as the university that was complaining of the same issue discovered.
said by BosstonesOwn :At&t's network coverage sucks. If you're referring to coverage as in areas where they offer coverage then I agree some places will not have good coverage. Otherwise, if by coverage you mean signal strength in an area then I wonder why at&t is the #1 provider in terms of subscribers.
said by BosstonesOwn :The touch screen has to be unlocked to answer the phone ! Why ? It does not need to be unlocked to answer the phone. If that were the case you would need to unlock the phone and then pick up the call. Instead you just swipe your finger across to the screen to pick up the call.
said by BosstonesOwn :I am anything but a fanboi , I am fair and balanced and feel that each phone has it's role. This one has it's role as a toy phone. If it was a toy then it would not actually make any calls and it would be made entirely out of plastic.
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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join:2005-01-03
·CableOne
| reply to adisor19
said by adisor19 :You need to drop some of that lame fanboism and state some facts in your arguments if you want to look less ridiculous. Pot calling the kettle black? |
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
Premium
join:2005-01-03 | reply to BosstonesOwn
Bosstones, I agree with you, but if you precede another word with "i" again, I'll be forced to iSlap you.  |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | reply to MadDog3057
I believe he's using the term "toy" like you would use for a plasma TV. "Look at my new 50 inch Toy".
And in that case, he's absolutely correct. |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
 ·PHONE POWER
 ·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T CallVantage
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·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to BosstonesOwn
quote:
Can't load an exchange web panel from its wifi or even on its cell web.
The wifi doesn't support radius so as to actually secure the tunnel.
Can't run a vpn app from the handheld since they locked it down. So much for security.
It doesn't synch well with outlooks phonebook.
It's a non-Microsoft product targeted at recreational use.
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For awhile it was flooding our cisco AP's off the network and killed almost all wireless use for most workers.
That was determined to be a Cisco problem. Even if it were Apple's problem, it's not like Microsoft's products are perfect on the first shot, either.
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At&t's network coverage sucks.
The phone reception is horrible compared to my at&t razr v3 which is a mountain times worse then the Q.
I find that comment interesting. My iPhone's cell signal quality is much better than my Samsung Blackjack. We have marginal coverage here at the house, and the iPhone is the first phone I've had (out of many, including Motorola phones) that actually seems to work reliably here. If anything, it's certainly not "mountains worse".
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The touch screen has to be unlocked to answer the phone ! Why?
I like that. It means I won't accidentally answer the call taking it out of my pocket. The gesture to answer it is one action and is hardly difficult. |
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adisor19
join:2004-10-11 | reply to PolarBear
No not at all. Looks like this post has already been answered while i had lunch. Once some arguments are provided rather then a ilame post, he gets a little more credibility.
Adi |
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pfak
Premium
join:2002-12-29
Canada | reply to MadDog3057
Which part of "business user" did you not understand? |
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itguy05
join:2005-06-17
Camp Hill, PA
| reply to BosstonesOwn
quote:
Can't load an exchange web panel from its wifi or even on its cell web.
Move off that POS known as Exchange. The alternatives are more scalable, more reliable and more flexible. Exchange is truly garbage.
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Can't run a vpn app from the handheld since they locked it down. So much for security.
I'm sure that will be addressed when the apps come in the new year.
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t doesn't synch well with outlooks phonebook.
Again, ditch the POS known as Exchange and Outlook.
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At&t's network coverage sucks.
So does Verizon, despite their marketing. I've got both - Verizon for work and AT&T for personal use. AT&T is much better.
There are plenty using their iPhones in their business. In fact those that chose the non-Microsoft path generally have an easier time adapting to new non-MS technologies. It's not Apples (or any other company's) that you choose the locked-in MS path. |
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pfak
Premium
join:2002-12-29
Canada
·Shaw
 ·Novus Entertainmen..
| said by itguy05 : quote:
Can't load an exchange web panel from its wifi or even on its cell web.
Move off that POS known as Exchange. The alternatives are more scalable, more reliable and more flexible. Exchange is truly garbage. quote:
Can't run a vpn app from the handheld since they locked it down. So much for security.
I'm sure that will be addressed when the apps come in the new year. quote:
t doesn't synch well with outlooks phonebook.
Again, ditch the POS known as Exchange and Outlook. quote:
At&t's network coverage sucks.
So does Verizon, despite their marketing. I've got both - Verizon for work and AT&T for personal use. AT&T is much better. There are plenty using their iPhones in their business. In fact those that chose the non-Microsoft path generally have an easier time adapting to new non-MS technologies. It's not Apples (or any other company's) that you choose the locked-in MS path. It's kind of obvious that you don't work in the business world, or have any idea how it functions (like the majority of the people on these forums).
Do you have any idea how hard it is to get technology changed at a large company? If you're just a normal employee it is pretty much impossible, and just about the same if you are management.
Grow up and learn how the real world works. We know Exchange/Microsoft sucks but we're still stuck with their products because of something called "business process." |
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MadDog3057
Ex Astris, Scientia
Premium
join:2002-02-26
Miami, FL
| reply to pfak
said by pfak :Which part of "business user" did you not understand? The part where Apple stated it was a business phone.
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs: | reply to Ahrenl
Yes I was , must be a new englander thing i guess. |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
·Comcast
| reply to MadDog3057
Apple plainly puts out commercials where it aimed at business users. It obviously is not suited to those users that are heavily tied to linux and MS platforms.
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
·Comcast
| reply to PolarBear
Sorry I was just really ticked at constantly seeing this stuff about iphones all over the web , every news site is running stuff like it.
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs: | reply to djrobx
Then Apple shouldn't show business folks ads on business sites with folks using the iphone. |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
·Comcast
| reply to itguy05
Ok so wait, you want me to get off exchange ?
Even as the system admin for this top fortune 100 company , we have standard services that are used for a reason. Ever try to work with people who use open office ? They just don't mess well together and the same is said for email.
We have workers who check their email from web forms from outlook and from other exchange capable devices. The open services don't play well with blackberries. They also don't work as well as exchange when you have to cluster 60 to 80 boxes together to drive a company like this. Also let me know when you have users all over the world who hit the email servers.
Also let me know when those open source programs get the approval of the us government and the approval of every other government where we have campuses. Because then we can shift to that platform and save a whole lot of money.
Even as a sys admin who often writes code for opensolaris and even linux when I need to , I can't get away from exchange and we even have lotus notes servers as well. Which the iphone doesn't like either. You see open source works for small companies but not for the big guys who need to work with many government entities and follow their rules. And that is not changing anytime soon.
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DreamWraith
Premium
join:2004-04-07
Mount Vernon, WA | reply to adisor19
responding to idiocy with more idiocy is only bound to hurt your position. not help it. |
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