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fiberguy
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| reply to Jwobot
Re: Why NFL?
The only thing I know to be clear is that the NFL could give a rats a*s less about cable customers. If they did care as much as they are "pretending" to care - now with this crappy NFL network of theirs - then they'd not have locked out cable customers from the Sunday games.
I'm less and less a fan of ANY major sports association when they pull these exclusive deals and fight in the big dollar range that they do. NFL wants to lock out cable. Nascar now has this exclusive deal with DirecTV and D claims that they are the first to offer multi camera views  something that cable has been doing for years.
More and more, it's not about the sport itself, rather, money money money. Last time I checked - IT'S SPORTS!
If you ask me, if there is a choice (and in Minneapolis there is) in Major League baseball or Minor league.. I pass up the big business Minnesota Twins, and will go to a St. Paul Saints game - ANY DAY! The saints have cheaper tickets, a good game, a REAL baseball experience - cheap hot dogs.. and the teams actually interact with the fans still... and the Twins? They can't be bothered with any of that.. and drop your $40 at the gate..
Sports and big business are TRULY two things that do NOT go hand in hand. | |
BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by fiberguy  :The only thing I know to be clear is that the NFL could give a rats a*s less about cable customers. If they did care as much as they are "pretending" to care - now with this crappy NFL network of theirs - then they'd not have locked out cable customers from the Sunday games. The NFL is locking out fans the cable companies are. The NFL can't force the cbale compnaies to carry the channel. Supposdly putting on NFLN would mean higher rates.
A) Cable raises rates anyways. Charrer's raised rates 3 times in the last 2 years since getting rid of NFL Network so please.
B) DirectTV offers it on a basic tier and they are $10 a month cheaper than Charter. Hmmmm. | |
fiberguy
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| Please regather your facts and take another stab at it.
First, you just combined the NFL network and Sunday games into one point where as I had them in two - as where they belong.
The NFL and DirecTV HAVE in fact "locked out" cable consumers from the Sunday games, aka "NFL Sunday Ticket"...
You are right that the NFL can't force cable companies to carry the network. Not "Supposedly" would carrying the channel man higher rates, it DOES mean higher rates. It's clear you're not paying attention to the story/facts yet you are reacting with a sense of authority on the matter.
NFL Network is pulling an "ESPN" style attempt on cable. They want to be carried on the lowest form of cable possible to gain the most subscribers. In case you don't know, a network and cable company negotiate a contract of carriage. That contract states terms such as what tier the network will be carried, the price of that channel PER SUBSCRIBER of that tier, even as much as the channel number in some cases. ESPN requires to be carried in the "basic tier" aka Tier 2, Expanded Basic, Full basic, et all. ESPEN gets about $2.50 PER SUB be they watch ESPN, be a sports fan, or not. It's how ESPN/ABC want it to be.
The NFL network wants the same thing at about $1.00+ per sub. Most networks get about $0.25 to $0.40 per head. So, Comcast said they want to put NFL network into a sports tier and NFLN says "no"... Good for Comcast! NFL now throws daggers and blames comcast because they are "locking out subscribers" while comcast says "we are not going to put a low quality channel on a popular tier for the price they want.
NFLN is a joke of a network. NFL keeps the games from cable as it is with a contract with DirecTV valued at over 5 times what it's really worth to begin with. So, they come up with the NFL Network for "others" which carry about 8 games a year and a bunch of other "football" crap.. old game replays, snips of current game highlights, and all the old has-beens talking about the sport. So that's worth $1.25 per head?
Anyway.. as to point A) of yours. Not sure who "charrer's" is.. (Spell check and proofing your posts help a great deal) but I'll assume "Charter".. Again, you come with more 'pure emotion' and no fact to your post. Sure, Charter may have raised their rate 2 times since getting NFL - who says the rate increase was based only on the NFLN? so please... get your facts together.
What IS a fact is that the reason why cable raises rates is because their rates generally go up. Fox news, the most popular news network out there, raised it's rate from a quarter a head to over $1.00 on ratings alone. The FCC passed a requirement which caused cable to toss a lot of stock and buy new, more expensive boxes. Gas prices, in case you don't know, have gone up a lot in the last year alone (and service trucks don't exactly get 35MPG. Among this, other networks raise their rates, costs skyrocket (like health insurance) and network improvements and repairs. VOD services, new guides, HD, phone service, faster internet, etc.
Your B) point - DirecTV offers it on a basic tier and they are $10 cheaper. Shall we open that can of worms? Then get DirecTV! I can also tell you that DirecTV offers some channels on specialty tiers that cable doesn't. I was blown away to find out that the Outdoor Life Network was a "Sports Tier" channel - among others, which were enough to make me leave DirecTV - along with their introduction of contracts and other BS. So, I call your "hmmmmmm"
DirecTV is DirecTV and Comcast and others are who they are. If they all offered the "same thing" then why would you have choice and competition? I can call your comparison and tell you that at least my cable company doesn't charge specifically for the locals - which is a joke. There are many things to compare the services on which is why they call it "competing"..
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cwruck
join:2004-08-13
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| reply to BF69
Good point. In a local news story here they stated that it costs Charter a whopping $8/year per subscriber for the NFL Network...so, there you have it. I have DISH right now because I don't live in the area where I can get IPTV from my local telco, CenturyTel. This is essentially the same thing as the U-Verse, but the pricing beats Charter and the quality does too, along with free installation and the whole works. The cable companies are greedy, that's why telco's are better at providing TV, same with DISH and DirecTV, I will never have cable again. | |
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| reply to fiberguy
I agree with your points. I went through the same issue a few years ago:
Los Angeles Time Warner - CBC Newsworld International was on basic digital tier
I moved 10 miles away, where there was Comcast
CBC Newsworld International was is a 'international' tier, which required extra $$ ontop of Digital
DirecTv included CBC Newsworld International as part of their basic package (and was cheaper)... guess where I went.
Where there are options and different packages from competing services, use that to your advantage.
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said by fiberguy :More and more, it's not about the sport itself, rather, money money money. Last time I checked - IT'S SPORTS! If you ask me, if there is a choice (and in Minneapolis there is) in Major League baseball or Minor league.. I pass up the big business Minnesota Twins, and will go to a St. Paul Saints game - ANY DAY! The saints have cheaper tickets, a good game, a REAL baseball experience - cheap hot dogs.. and the teams actually interact with the fans still... and the Twins? They can't be bothered with any of that.. and drop your $40 at the gate.. Sports and big business are TRULY two things that do NOT go hand in hand. My God -- that's twice this week I'm agreeing with you. 
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Uhm...hello???
Sports IS Money! Sports is ALL about money! Get real-do you really believe that ANYONE in sports is doing it for love of the game? It's ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!
What truly cracks me up is that while MILLIONS of Americans go hungry and have no health care, BILLIONS of dollars are spent every year to watch a bunch of guys doing dumb things with some kind of a ball. Where are our priorities??? | |
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