Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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Sweden |  What Credibility?
PC World has lost even more credibility as soon as I saw they included Verizon for their "fight against even broadband deployment." GET REAL!
-Tzale |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
| I read that statement as deploying to all neighborhoods rather than just deploying to neighborhoods where demographics indicate the best potential subscriber pool. Apparently they believe Verizon has not been fairly allocating their investments.
There's nothing wrong with this. Verizon shareholders expect management to invest with the best possible return. However, if Verizon uses even a dime of the USF slush fund or leverages any tax incentives, they are feeding at the public trough and their interests are in conflict.
I have a fix for this...end the corporate welfare. If your blood boils over initiatives like national health care, look around. At best, that type of policy is only half the story. |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO | Any and all welfare for any specific group should be eliminated. |
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bored_in_nh
join:2003-01-04
Stamping Ground, KY | reply to rradina
I think you mentioned three key letters ... USF
They are more than in conflict, as you state it, they are as PC World states, stifling broadband deployment. The USF funds are to be used not just in areas where the biggest ROI will fire off. |
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FiL
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join:2005-08-16
Silver Spring, MD
| reply to Skippy25
I don't think that fair to say...just because welfare helps a majority of, say, black people in inner cities doesn't mean Appalachian and Midwest white folks don't get any of it either.
Its not a specific group being targeted, you mention this like as only a black single mother getting help is bad...lol, its poor people getting welfare, and theres LOTS of them in the richest country in the world. |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
1 edit | reply to Tzale
said by Tzale  :PC World has lost even more credibility as soon as I saw they included Verizon for their "fight against even broadband deployment." GET REAL! -Tzale I thought the article was suprisingly pro-consumer/tech for PCWORLD.
The author was correct to point out Verizons reluctance to deploy even broadband deployment.
Collecting USF and not deploying fairly is a definitly a conflict of interest to the public who pays the USF.
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With what is moderate nourish your mighty desire; for neither will
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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said by FiL :its poor people getting welfare, and theres LOTS of them in the richest country in the world. "Poor" people in the USA have a much better standard of living than most people in the rest of the world.
We have no truly "poor" people here... All it takes is one trip to a third world country to see true poverty.
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
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Santa Cruz, CA
| said by pnh102 :said by FiL :its poor people getting welfare, and theres LOTS of them in the richest country in the world. "Poor" people in the USA have a much better standard of living than most people in the rest of the world. We have no truly "poor" people here... All it takes is one trip to a third world country to see true poverty. Bullshit, tell your crock of shit to the people who are 1 paycheck away from the streets, poor is poor, dead is dead.
No matter where you are.
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‘Do ye, quieting in your bosoms your strong hearts,
Who of many good things have had your fill even to surfeit,
With what is moderate nourish your mighty desire; for neither will
We yield, nor shall you have all else as you wish.’
Solon |
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pnh102
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| said by gaforces :Bullshit, tell your crock of shit to the people who are 1 paycheck away from the streets, poor is poor, dead is dead. No matter where you are. Tell that to people who have lived on their streets their entire lives.
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viperlmw
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said by pnh102 :said by FiL :its poor people getting welfare, and theres LOTS of them in the richest country in the world. "Poor" people in the USA have a much better standard of living than most people in the rest of the world. We have no truly "poor" people here... All it takes is one trip to a third world country to see true poverty. Maybe not in Mt Airy, but go to downtown DC, or Baltimore, or Philly and check out the homeless, and tell me they aren't poor. While I agree that poverty overseas can be much more extreme, those are generally in much more impoverished nations as a whole. For the richest country in the world to balk at helping their own is sad, very sad. |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
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Santa Cruz, CA
4 edits | reply to pnh102
VExec1: Yah the reports say we will make more poor people if we dont deploy to some less dense areas.
Vexec2: Too bad, we have a responsibility to our shareholders, besides, those poor people here live like kings compared to some other countrys ...
Vexec1: Sounds good, screwem.
Most people living on the streets in the US dont last more than 5 years. They fall through the cracks, most wont go to homeless shelters, and they die or go to jail.
Exposure by hypothermia:
"Stages in humans
Normal body temperature in humans is 37°C (98.6°F). Hypothermia can be divided in three stages of severity.
In stage 1, body temperature drops by 1-2°C below normal temperature (1.8-3.6°F). Mild to strong shivering occurs. The victim is unable to perform complex tasks with the hands; the hands become numb. Blood vessels in the outer extremities constrict, lessening heat loss to the outside air. Breathing becomes quick and shallow. Goose bumps form, raising body hair on end in an attempt to create an insulating layer of air around the body (limited use in humans due to lack of sufficient hair, but useful in other species). Often, a person will experience a warm sensation, as if they have recovered, but they are in fact heading into Stage 2. Another test to see if the person is entering stage 2 is if they are unable to touch their thumb with their little finger; this is the first stage of muscles not working.
In stage 2, body temperature drops by 2-4°C (3.6-7.2°F). Shivering becomes more violent. Muscle mis-coordination becomes apparent. Movements are slow and labored, accompanied by a stumbling pace and mild confusion, although the victim may appear alert. Surface blood vessels contract further as the body focuses its remaining resources on keeping the vital organs warm. The victim becomes pale. Lips, ears, fingers and toes may become blue.
In stage 3, body temperature drops below approximately 32°C (90°F). Shivering usually stops. Difficulty speaking, sluggish thinking, and amnesia start to appear; inability to use hands and stumbling are also usually present. Cellular metabolic processes shut down. Below 30°C (86°F) the exposed skin becomes blue and puffy, muscle coordination very poor, walking nearly impossible, and the victim exhibits incoherent/irrational behavior including terminal burrowing or even a stupor. Pulse and respiration rates decrease significantly but fast heart rates (ventricular tachycardia, atrial fibrillation) can occur. Major organs fail. Clinical death occurs. Because of decreased cellular activity in stage 3 hypothermia, the body will actually take longer to undergo brain death."
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothermi···n_humans
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malnutrition |
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pnh102
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said by viperlmw :Maybe not in Mt Airy, but go to downtown DC, or Baltimore, or Philly and check out the homeless, and tell me they aren't poor. However, even those people have access to shelters, food banks, charities, and emergency rooms for healthcare. Poor people in third world countries don't get anything like that.
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to gaforces
How did Verizon make anyone "poor?"
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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| reply to viperlmw
Are there no homeless shelters ?
Are there no government homes ?
In So-Cal, you don't even have to be legal status in this country to get free (or close to free) housing, food stamps, WIC, schools, medical, you name it.
It also never freezes, so, technically it isn't impossible to live outdoors, and there are still plenty of homeless shelters.
If there were in North Dakota or MN, then there would be issues.
What typically happens is that
a) The rich get richer by being able to find tax loopholes.
b) The poor get enough assistance to survive or join the bottom end of the working world so that they can spend (which is what the economy is based on).
c) Middle class is taxed to death by the rest of the economy.
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thevorpal
join:2007-11-16
Alexandria, VA
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said by pnh102 :said by FiL :its poor people getting welfare, and theres LOTS of them in the richest country in the world. "Poor" people in the USA have a much better standard of living than most people in the rest of the world. We have no truly "poor" people here... All it takes is one trip to a third world country to see true poverty. You must have really lived a charmed existance to be so ignorant that there are truly poor people in the US.
We aren't talking about poor in the sense that they cannot afford the next game system. We are talking about poor in the sense that they don't know if they can afford their next meal.
You don't see them, because you grew up sheltered and safe. A study into rural Appalachia will set you straight. |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
| reply to pnh102
Some people are content with 15th place for world broadband deployment. Others of which I am included, see that our future depends on it, and see that a few big companys are content with the status quo where they can still keep making billions with little effort.
Looking to thier shareholder profit at the detriment to the whole country, and getting away with it by bribes through a corrupt lobbying system where only the people with money have a say.
All the while, other countrys who are interested in leading technology in the future, without thinking of selfish short term money grubbing, are way ahead of us in tech with the ability to jump ahead in leaps faster than we can.
Leaving the US as bottom of the world barrel.
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‘Do ye, quieting in your bosoms your strong hearts,
Who of many good things have had your fill even to surfeit,
With what is moderate nourish your mighty desire; for neither will
We yield, nor shall you have all else as you wish.’
Solon |
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jdracer47
join:2005-10-16
Auburn, PA
| reply to Tzale
So you live in Jersey and are expecting Fios? Try living in many of Verizon's territories that do not even have DSL deployed and will never see Fios. It took PA Legislation to FORCE Verizon to deploy DSL to my community (Act 183). If not for the legislation it would have been a long time until any service at all was deployed. I get a little tired of Verizon fan-boys defending the company due to FTTH. There were many areas completely ignored during DSL deployment that continue to be ignored while Fios is being deployed to areas that had 4-5 other ISP choices already. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | reply to en102
Actually the rich do most of the spending as well. Poor people are too poor to do much spending. |
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
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said by Tzale :PC World has lost even more credibility as soon as I saw they included Verizon for their "fight against even broadband deployment." GET REAL! -Tzale Regardless of what your opinion of the "credibility" factor of PC World is, how can you even dispute that the **AA's are anti-technology? Have you not been paying attention to their revenue generation by litigation business model? The entire crux of that effort is to quash P2P technology. You don't need to read in a magazine to realize that sort of behavior, is, in and of itself, is anti-technology. |
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pnh102
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said by thevorpal :We aren't talking about poor in the sense that they cannot afford the next game system. We are talking about poor in the sense that they don't know if they can afford their next meal. Please. The USA is the only country where people of lesser means are more likely to have obesity-related health problems than to die of starvation.
Where are all these people dying of starvation in the USA because they cannot afford their next meal? If there are so many, surely we'd be hearing about it.
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