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viperlmw
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Re: What Credibility?
said by pnh102  :said by FiL :its poor people getting welfare, and theres LOTS of them in the richest country in the world. "Poor" people in the USA have a much better standard of living than most people in the rest of the world. We have no truly "poor" people here... All it takes is one trip to a third world country to see true poverty. Maybe not in Mt Airy, but go to downtown DC, or Baltimore, or Philly and check out the homeless, and tell me they aren't poor. While I agree that poverty overseas can be much more extreme, those are generally in much more impoverished nations as a whole. For the richest country in the world to balk at helping their own is sad, very sad. | |
pnh102
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| said by viperlmw :Maybe not in Mt Airy, but go to downtown DC, or Baltimore, or Philly and check out the homeless, and tell me they aren't poor. However, even those people have access to shelters, food banks, charities, and emergency rooms for healthcare. Poor people in third world countries don't get anything like that.
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en102
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Are there no homeless shelters ?
Are there no government homes ?
In So-Cal, you don't even have to be legal status in this country to get free (or close to free) housing, food stamps, WIC, schools, medical, you name it.
It also never freezes, so, technically it isn't impossible to live outdoors, and there are still plenty of homeless shelters.
If there were in North Dakota or MN, then there would be issues.
What typically happens is that
a) The rich get richer by being able to find tax loopholes.
b) The poor get enough assistance to survive or join the bottom end of the working world so that they can spend (which is what the economy is based on).
c) Middle class is taxed to death by the rest of the economy.
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Ahrenl
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North Andover, MA | Actually the rich do most of the spending as well. Poor people are too poor to do much spending. | |
en102
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| Somewhat true...
Rich do more spending, in general (yeah they buy a lot of stuff), however, much of it is purchased through corporate resources, or as a method of tax reduction where possible (i.e. tax advisor/CPA will help to funnel cash into a purchase into a tax deductable item).
The poor can't afford anything (which is why corporations are ALWAYS giving items to the poor - gotta get them into the 'system' of spending to make money, credit/debt, etc. ). Gov't healthcare, bicycling, walking, rabbit ears, shelters, soup kitchens do not generate money.
Middle class is already there.. spending on daycare, clothes, sports, vehicles, insurance, TV, cable, phone, blah blah blah..
Middle class is '2 paychecks from bankruptcy'. In So-Cal, there were ~70k homes that were lost to the banks as many purchased homes they couldn't afford.
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said by pnh102 :said by viperlmw :Maybe not in Mt Airy, but go to downtown DC, or Baltimore, or Philly and check out the homeless, and tell me they aren't poor. However, even those people have access to shelters, food banks, charities, and emergency rooms for healthcare. Poor people in third world countries don't get anything like that. But the initial discussion revolved around the idea of removing all welfare...
i.e. getting rid of shelters, food banks, free medical, etc.
Poor people in 3rd world countries do have far better access to subsistence living than those living in poverty in the United States. Remove those social supports, and you will see the poverty class dying off quicker than the subsistence poor in the third world.
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Rich do more spending, in general (yeah they buy a lot of stuff), however, much of it is purchased through I'm not sure where you get your numbers, or what you mean by much of "it"; but the fact is that the richest 20% account for more than 60% of consumer spending.
The poor and middle class already tapped their full discretionary income, and then some, long ago, and essentially make up the inflation portion of spending growth.
I'm not sure why you mention bankruptcies in So-Cal; which were just as much a function of fraud, excessive price appreciation, and re-fi consumption as anything else. | |
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