NewMariner
join:2005-06-24 | Isps Build your Own!
I agree with Verizon....Why should they have to subsidize a competitor? If the other ISPS want to compete, then build your own network! Its as simple as that... |
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magilladke
join:2005-12-07
Collegeville, PA | sure if the gov't is going to give each DSL competitor money (breaks) like Verizon! |
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supergirl
join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL
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said by NewMariner  :I agree with Verizon....Why should they have to subsidize a competitor? If the other ISPS want to compete, then build your own network! Its as simple as that... I agree 100%. Covad, once Telocity, couldn't make money before when line-sharing was forced and went bankrupt. If VZ just sticks FIOS in there, no more line-sharing.
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Jodokast96
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join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
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said by NewMariner :I agree with Verizon....Why should they have to subsidize a competitor? If the other ISPS want to compete, then build your own network! Its as simple as that... So if 15 competitors each came in to build their, where the hell to you expect them to build it? Poles 5 deep from the street? Places with underground utlities would be real fun to watch getting deployed too. Yeah, just what anyone wants, 15 different companies coming in and tearing my street. Not to mention the fact of whether the PUCs would even let them. Easier said than done my friend. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL
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·Mediacom
| said by Jodokast96 :Easier said than done my friend. So is line sharing and turning a sufficient profit. What is your suggestion? Let me guess, telecoms be a dumb pipe, leasing their cable to any ISP that wants in. Or, municipalities purchase the infrastructure from the telecoms and then they become the dumb pipe leasing to everyone? That sounds great, but it is easier said than done when you look at the financials involved. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
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said by NewMariner :I agree with Verizon....Why should they have to subsidize a competitor? If the other ISPS want to compete, then build your own network! Its as simple as that... Yes as somone else pointed out, dozens of companies continually digging up your front lawn or 50 bagillion wires hanging from a pole. REAL good idea.
Subsidize? Sorry those companies still have to PAY Verizon to use thier lines. Verizon isn't out anything. Show me where it says Verizon has to let those other companies use their lines for FREE?
Also if Verizon doesn't like the rules then they shouldn't get into the game in the first place. |
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Jodokast96
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join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ
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No, but that way is more doable than everyone building their own. You know it and I know it, if another competitor came in and tried to build their own network using a duplicate infrastructure, they'd almost certainly not get approval. Somewhere you've got to find a middle ground, and it leans towards line sharing. The third parties aren't getting a free ride here, they still have to pay to even get in. Somehow the electric companies made it work. |
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bjbrock
join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK
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Verizon got to where they are mostly due to regulations. In fact it is more reasonable to consider their infrastructure as being built by the rate payers and not by Verizon in a competitive market. This is the case with all the Telco's.
The government has guaranteed their existence through regulations. Their competitors need the same considerations.
Telco's have never had to compete in a truly competitive market and shouldn't be treated as someone who has. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL
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said by Jodokast96 :Somehow the electric companies made it work. How so? I don't have a choice in electrical companies.
The answer is competition between wireless (3G/4G, WISP, WiMax, etc.), telecom, cable, satellite. You don't need 5 sets of cable hanging of off poles to have competition. And you don't need to share your infrastructure with competitors to facilitate competition. |
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ieolus
Support The Clecs
join:2001-06-19
Duluth, GA | reply to openbox9
That is EXACTLY the way to do it! |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL | Which, and who pays for it? |
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Jodokast96
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join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ
·Verizon Online DSL
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Uh, yeah, in a lot of markets you do. The company producing the energy charges their supply charge and then the local company charges a distribution charge, which is the same no matter the supplier. Even if your local company is your supplier, the bill is broken down the same way. Similar to long distance. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL | I've never had a choice of electric companies in the five locations I've lived in the states. |
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NOCMan
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join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX | reply to NewMariner
AT&T got tax breaks to put in much of the phone network that exists today.
Also every time someone tries to overbuild the incumbent sues the crap out of them. |
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wifi4milez
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join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
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said by Jodokast96 :said by NewMariner :I agree with Verizon....Why should they have to subsidize a competitor? If the other ISPS want to compete, then build your own network! Its as simple as that... So if 15 competitors each came in to build their, where the hell to you expect them to build it? Poles 5 deep from the street? Places with underground utlities would be real fun to watch getting deployed too. Yeah, just what anyone wants, 15 different companies coming in and tearing my street. Not to mention the fact of whether the PUCs would even let them. Easier said than done my friend. All companies (new, existing, future, etc.) are guaranteed access to public ROW by law. Thats not the issue, as any company is legally allowed to build a network. The issue usually comes down to cost; and do the new ISP's have the money needed to do so. We have seen time and time again that companies who chose to actually build their own infrastructure have done quite well, so it is very doable.
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
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said by bjbrock :Verizon got to where they are mostly due to regulations. In fact it is more reasonable to consider their infrastructure as being built by the rate payers and not by Verizon in a competitive market. This is the case with all the Telco's. The government has guaranteed their existence through regulations. Their competitors need the same considerations. Telco's have never had to compete in a truly competitive market and shouldn't be treated as someone who has. Agreed. Pacbell/SBC/ATT lowered thier DSL prices below what they lease thier lines at. The only way small ISPs survived it is by good customer service and branching out to computer repair, hosting services, etc.
Even if they are fortunate to be able to lease lines from Competitors, it doesnt seem like an ideal situation to be at the mercy of the opposition.
Let my local ISP who has proven that they serve thier customers well, replace the dancing, steroid muscled baby bell who has a monopoly from a 20-50 year old rollouts of aging copper and fiber.
PS Yes I am still angry that ATT/Yahoo jacked my DSL line.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL
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said by NOCMan :Also every time someone tries to overbuild the incumbent sues the crap out of them. Really? Please provide some lawsuit references involving incumbents and competitors (not municipalities) attempting to enter their market. |
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Jodokast96
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join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ | reply to wifi4milez
Keep thinking that the law would, in reality, allow them to get built, and I'll sell you my shiny new bridge. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL
·AT&T Southeast
·Mediacom
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said by gaforces :replace the dancing, steroid muscled baby bell who has a monopoly from a 20-50 year old rollouts of aging copper and fiber. The same 20-50 year old copper/fiber that you're "local" ISP uses to provide service? |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA | The fiber/copper/circuit/loop that they pay more for than At&t charges the public, yes. |
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