MarkyD
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join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs: | U-Verse AVAILABLE in my FTTP area in OKC just checked the website and it's showing as available for the first time. Going to try for an order. We'll see!
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MarkyD
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join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs: | Re: U-Verse AVAILABLE in my FTTP area in OKC Wrong forum, oops! can a mod please move this to Uverse?
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MarkyD
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs: | Wow, their site is SLOW. But I finally got it ordered. U200 and Elite, scheduled for install on Monday the 17th at 8am.
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Crisis Management Squad
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join:2002-02-08
Houston, TX
clubs: | Re: U-Verse AVAILABLE in my FTTP area in OKC I thought you were avoiding it based on your comments in »I got a letter from AT&T. -- did something change, or is Cox's service a lot worse than AT&T's? | |
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MarkyD
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join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs:
 ·Cox HSI
1 edit | Re: U-Verse AVAILABLE in my FTTP area in OKC said by removed  :I thought you were avoiding it based on your comments in » I got a letter from AT&T. -- did something change, or is Cox's service a lot worse than AT&T's? I'm keeping Cox in parallel to compare them for a month or so. I want to give it a fair chance!
EDIT: To elaborate a little more...
Cox was pretty unreliable at first. However, they recently completed the 1ghz upgrade in my area, and reliability has been great lately. The things that turn me off about Cox are the monthly bandwidth caps and recent BitTorrent throttling.
Both services have advantages and disadvantages...I do want to get some first hand experience with the UVERSE FTTP product, though, to form a more informed opinion. | |
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MarkyD
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join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs: | install rescheduled for tomorrow.
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| koolkid1563
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join:2005-11-06
Powell, WY
clubs: | Re: U-Verse AVAILABLE in my FTTP area in OKC Good luck! Let us know how it goes. | |
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| etaadmin
join:2002-01-17
Dallas, TX | I guess that letter to at&t worked  | |
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Enlightener
join:2006-01-28
Cedar Park, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
| The only reason I'd want to switch form my current PseudoDSL Elite would be to get the full 6mb instead of 5mb. But there is no way I'd give up DirecTV until AT&T has atleast 2 HD streams, whole house DVR and over a lot more HD channels then they currently have.
My contract with DirecTV is up in March 2009 so who knows, maybe by then AT&T will have their act together.
Still, keep me abreast of how you like it. | |
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MarkyD
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs: | so apparently Oklahoma did not exist in the AT&T FTTP UVERSE system. So, I guess the people back at the office are building it in currently while the techs here are finishing the wiring.
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wolverine_99
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join:2004-12-07
Mckinney, TX | Re: U-Verse AVAILABLE in my FTTP area in OKC Any luck yet? I'm curious to hear how your experience goes since you are the first true FTTP customer on UVerse that I've heard of. | |
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Premium,MVM
join:2005-11-06
Powell, WY
clubs: | Re: U-Verse AVAILABLE in my FTTP area in OKC There have always been FTTP users on U-verse. The first master planned one starting in the Summer of '06 here in Houston with Bridgeland. | |
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Enlightener
join:2006-01-28
Cedar Park, TX | I guess this hasn't effected your data service? Are you on the IP network now or still on the ATM network? | |
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MarkyD
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs:
·Cox HSI
1 edit | Re: U-Verse AVAILABLE in my FTTP area in OKC said by Enlightener :I guess this hasn't effected your data service? Are you on the IP network now or still on the ATM network? I gave ATT the boot entirely a couple months ago, so I still have Cox up and running. I knew better than to cancel it before UVERSE was installed and working.
EDIT: After they get this turned up I'll be on the IP network. I'm typing this from my Cox connection. | |
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MarkyD
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs:
·Cox HSI
| ok, update. they left finally at 7:20pm. However, nothing is yet working. Again, no fault on the techs. Apparently the RG is not getting an IP from the CO. They tried multiple RGs with no success. Unfortunately, my CO is unmanned and there was no one available to go check out the CO and see what's wrong. They said there seems to be a problem with the 7340, whatever that is.
The techs were extremely apologetic. I could tell they were frustrated. I can't blame them, being here for 9 hours with no success! I'm a little frustrated too, but not angry. I just wish AT&T would plan ahead before turning a neighborhood "green."
I am supposed to get a call tomorrow morning when they find the problem, and then they'll roll another tech. I took today off work for this install, and I can't take another day...so my wife is going to stay home with the tech.
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| koolkid1563
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join:2005-11-06
Powell, WY
clubs:
·Bresnan Online
1 edit | Re: U-Verse AVAILABLE in my FTTP area in OKC The Alcatel 7340 ISAM is what they were probably referring to...Kind of like the FTTP version of a DSLAM for us FTTN folks I think. Here is a document on the 7342 (upgrade of the 7340, but similar): »www3.cygategroup.com/upload/Swed···1635.pdf
From what I understand, the 7340 uses BPON and the 7342 uses GPON. The 7330 is what AT&T is using for their FTTN service.
»www.home.alcatel.com/vpr/fullarc···102004uk
"To drive fiber deeper into the SBC network, Alcatel will provide SBC with its remote 7330 IP DSLAM solution, which is capable of supporting wire speed triple play services and multiple variations of DSL for SBC's Fiber to the Neighborhood architecture. In addition, Alcatel provides its 7340 Fiber to the Premise (FTTP) solutions."
Your broadband light will always be solid green as long as your ONT is powered up and your RG has a connection to it. Your service light is what you will be concerned with. | |
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| DinnerOut
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join:2001-06-29
Columbus, OH | Re: U-Verse AVAILABLE in my FTTP area in OKC So any update at all here? | |
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| koolkid1563
Premium,MVM
join:2005-11-06
Powell, WY
clubs: | Re: U-Verse AVAILABLE in my FTTP area in OKC Wow! Did she mention if the tech said what they did to fix it? | |
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MarkyD
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs:
·Cox HSI
| Re: U-Verse AVAILABLE in my FTTP area in OKC said by koolkid1563 :Wow! Did she mention if the tech said what they did to fix it? the tech said it was over his head and he was not sure...all he knows is that the NOC fixed it. I'd love to know more... | |
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join:2002-01-17
Dallas, TX
| Re: U-Verse AVAILABLE in my FTTP area in OKC said by MarkyD :I work until 8 central, but you can be sure I'll be taking lots of pics and giving some impressions when I get home. Looking forward to those pics, please include some of your FTTP connection. | |
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apeface
join:2000-09-16
Mckinney, TX
·AT&T U-Verse
| That should have come up to the NOC a bit quicker than it did. There is only so much customer service can do to correct that type of issue, which shouldnt take them that long to figure out it isnt going to work and they need to escalate it.
The test fttp accounts worked fine, but sometimes the first few real orders to come through get bugged up. | |
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MarkyD
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs:
·Cox HSI
| Re: U-Verse AVAILABLE in my FTTP area in OKC said by apeface :That should have come up to the NOC a bit quicker than it did. There is only so much customer service can do to correct that type of issue, which shouldnt take them that long to figure out it isnt going to work and they need to escalate it. The test fttp accounts worked fine, but sometimes the first few real orders to come through get bugged up. It actually went to the NOC pretty early on in the process. The NOC had it for a couple hours and then came back and said everything was fine. Then, they started looking at the CO as the cause of the problem...ruled that out, then went back to the NOC who finally figured it out. I just wish I could know exactly what went wrong, for my own education.
Oh, and pics are still coming, just got too tied up playing last night. Pics to come =) | |
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MarkyD
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs:
·Cox HSI
| Re: U-Verse AVAILABLE in my FTTP area in OKC a few first tests....
traceroute www.google.com
traceroute: Warning: www.google.com has multiple addresses; using 64.233.167.104
traceroute to www.l.google.com (64.233.167.104), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 home (192.168.1.254) 1.167 ms 0.593 ms 0.890 ms
2 76-205-244-3.lightspeed.okcbok.sbcglobal.net (76.205.244.3) 3.139 ms 7.924 ms 19.328 ms
3 71.147.73.214 (71.147.73.214) 3.697 ms 3.756 ms 2.713 ms
4 151.164.92.230 (151.164.92.230) 3.170 ms 3.521 ms 2.889 ms
5 ex1-p0-0.eqchil.sbcglobal.net (151.164.42.147) 22.427 ms 67.333 ms 22.579 ms
6 74.125.48.117 (74.125.48.117) 22.366 ms 22.423 ms 22.419 ms
7 216.239.46.245 (216.239.46.245) 23.150 ms 209.85.251.38 (209.85.251.38) 22.535 ms 22.636 ms
8 72.14.232.57 (72.14.232.57) 23.873 ms 23.416 ms 66.249.94.133 (66.249.94.133) 23.559 ms
9 72.14.232.74 (72.14.232.74) 32.029 ms 72.14.232.53 (72.14.232.53) 23.463 ms 23.486 ms
10 72.14.232.70 (72.14.232.70) 29.847 ms 64.233.175.26 (64.233.175.26) 24.686 ms py-in-f104.google.com (64.233.167.104) 23.910 ms
--- www.l.google.com ping statistics ---
20 packets transmitted, 20 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 23.554/23.967/24.737/0.361 m
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MarkyD
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs:
·Cox HSI
| OK, now that I've had a chance to play a bit...
Pros:
-SD picture quality is light years ahead of Dish Network. Considering most channels are still SD, this is nice. Even on "full zoom" having it stretched to fit, it still looks pretty dang good on my 42" LCD 1080p.
-VoD, even though the library is limited, is nice. Dish doesn't have this.
-Web Remote for scheduling programs...do like.
-Slick STB interface. I like it better than my Dish ViP 622 in terms of interface.
Cons:
-No multi-TV (whole home) DVR. This is already proving to be an annoyance, but we can live with it.
-No true "quick skip" function. The quick skip on Dish jumps in 30 second intervals, making it easy to skip commercials. The Moto STB only "scans" in 7 second intervals. It doesn't "skip." This is definitely annoying.
-HD channels definitely appear more compressed than the Dish HD channels. This is disappointing for sure, but given the fact that the SD channels now look acceptable on my HDTV, it's a fair trade-off.
-only 1 HD stream at a time.
-6/1mbps internet speeds are a little (lot) anemic for FTTP, but I suppose it's acceptable for now.
more to come later
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| etaadmin
join:2002-01-17
Dallas, TX
| Re: U-Verse AVAILABLE in my FTTP area in OKC said by MarkyD :I'm undecided at this point as to whether or not I'm going to keep it. The compression on HD channels is REALLY bad on dark scenes. I mean, horrible. The one HD stream is proving to be a challenge since the STB doesn't have a port for an OTA antenna, and my TV doesn't have a built in tuner. Do you have pix-elation and/or freeze-ups like many if not all of the FTTN (copper wires) customers? I suppose your FTTP setup should have no problems in this area.
Some people at the at&t uverse forum say the HD quality is 'AWESOME'
»utalk.att.com/utalk/board/messag···g&page=7 | |
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MarkyD
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs:
·Cox HSI
| Re: U-Verse AVAILABLE in my FTTP area in OKC said by etaadmin :said by MarkyD :I'm undecided at this point as to whether or not I'm going to keep it. The compression on HD channels is REALLY bad on dark scenes. I mean, horrible. The one HD stream is proving to be a challenge since the STB doesn't have a port for an OTA antenna, and my TV doesn't have a built in tuner. Do you have pix-elation and/or freeze-ups like many if not all of the FTTN (copper wires) customers? I suppose your FTTP setup should have no problems in this area. Some people at the at&t uverse forum say the HD quality is 'AWESOME' » utalk.att.com/utalk/board/messag···g&page=7 no freeze-ups. The HD picture is just not nearly as sharp and crisp as DishHD. Not even close. The SD is better, though.
I recorded a concert on HDNET on both Dish and UVERSE. The DishHD broadcast was crystal clear! The UVERSE broadcast was pixelated and not sharp at all. I'm very disappointed with the HD quality. | |
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wolverine_99
Premium
join:2004-12-07
Mckinney, TX
| Re: U-Verse AVAILABLE in my FTTP area in OKC Are you using HDMI for both your DISH & Uverse TV connections? If so, what happens if you switch to HD component cables for your HD signal from Uverse? I've read about some people experiencing issues with the HDMI output, but I don't believe it's that widespread nor have I seen anything official. Just a thought. | |
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MarkyD
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs:
·Cox HSI
| Re: U-Verse AVAILABLE in my FTTP area in OKC said by wolverine_99 :Are you using HDMI for both your DISH & Uverse TV connections? If so, what happens if you switch to HD component cables for your HD signal from Uverse? I've read about some people experiencing issues with the HDMI output, but I don't believe it's that widespread nor have I seen anything official. Just a thought. I'm using component for both because both seemed to be worse over HDMI. I'm not giving up on UVERSE yet. I'll keep it for a while to compare further... | |
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wolverine_99
Premium
join:2004-12-07
Mckinney, TX
| Re: U-Verse AVAILABLE in my FTTP area in OKC I have my U-Verse install tomorrow (FTTN, about 400-500 ft from the VRAD). I'm interested to see how it compares to DISH HD on my TV. I'll have HDMI & component cables so I can see which looks best. Currently using HDMI for my DISH HD signal and it looks great. I do hope it gets better for you. | |
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MarkyD
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs:
·Cox HSI
| Well, that was short lived. We canceled it.
Over the last few days we experienced lots of freezing on the HD channels. A reboot of the STB and/or RG fixed it for a bit, and then it would come back. Also, the HD quality was very mediocre. To add to that, it was even worse when played back form the DVR.
A few more things that sealed the deal:
-no OTA capability on the STB
-single HD stream (this would not be an issue if they put an OTA tuner in the STB)
-no whole-home DVR. We did not think this would be an issue. However, the toddler in the house is used to sitting on the bed in our bedroom to watch a recorded show or two while my wife takes a shower, gets ready for the day, etc. This was no longer possible.
Little things, sure. But I wanted to give it a fair shot. For now, Dish Network HD proved to be a better, more mature solution.
When AT&T gets their act together in terms of reliability and features, I'll give it a try again. No bad blood here, just disappointment. I WANTED it to work out.
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Enlightener
join:2006-01-28
Cedar Park, TX
·AT&T U-Verse
| You know, you and I are on the same page. Many people who've read my rants probably won't believe me, but I have no bad blood for AT&T and I really just want it to work out also. After all, I do continue to have Elite FTTP w/metered service for $48/mo inc tax.
Still, I didn't even have to place an order to know that U-Verse is a dud and that it doesn't address the fundemental problems that you observed.
BTW, since we are so similar, may I suggest DirecTV to you? I'm confident that you would find it superior to Dish. | |
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