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daveinpoway
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One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

Read about it here: »www.pcworld.com/article/id,14053···l_dnxnws

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Well, if nothing else, at least PrevX CSI agrees with everything else I have here that checks for rootkits. Pete

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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

Ditto.

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Prevx is one of a few I use,but my only gripe about it is that everytime I use it..........a popup says that there is a malicious entry in the hosts file and that it can't start until it's deleted and then it gives you a choice to delete it,but doesn't show you the actual entry?

And I'm positive my hosts file hasn't been compromised?
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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

said by ZZZZZZZ See Profile :

..........a popup says that there is a malicious entry in the hosts file and that it can't start until it's deleted and then it gives you a choice to delete it,but doesn't show you the actual entry?
Just ran this and encountered the same thing. It deleted everything in my HOSTS file and left a single line:
127.0.0.1 localhost

It didn't find any infections scanning it with my original HOSTS file in place or it's 'improved' version of the same.
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said by spy1 See Profile :

Well, if nothing else, at least PrevX CSI agrees with everything else I have here that checks for rootkits. Pete
so PLZ someone WHERE can i d/l this "NEW",(to me) help/detection tool tool for my pc?

IS IT CALLED
PREVXCS1 1 as in #1
or

PREVXCSI I as in i

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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

»www.prevx.com/ (Chose the "Free PC Check Now" button on that page).

If you DON'T want it to install and run resident in SYSTRAY, make sure you DECLINE that choice when it's offered. Pete

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Well, if one were to take the 1-in-5 rootkit infection stats at face value, one would naturally expect that infection rate to carry through pretty much across the spectrum. So are we seeing rootkits at that level across the board... in repair shops, at the consultant/guru level, at corporate IT departments, amongst home users, etc, etc?

Granted, not all folks at all points are looking for rootkits with equal skill or focus - if at all. But still... seems to me, confirmed rootkit infections should be bubbling up in far greater numbers amongst these forum threads than what I'm personally observing. I find it curiously coincidental that Prevx, whose products are aimed at rootkits (among other things) is the one reporting these stats. To clarify: I'm not accusing them. It's just that when you make, sell, and use hammers intensively, everything can start to look like a nail.
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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

said by Blackbird See Profile :

To clarify: I'm not accusing them. It's just that when you make, sell, and use hammers intensively, everything can start to look like a nail.
Well - nine out of seven dentists believe scotch is better than Novocain.

I thought it is agreed upon the fact that once root-ed zee boxen needs to be incinerated.

What I find amusing is that by the very attempt of hiding their presence, rootkits give themselves away. What if rootkits stop hooking enumerating&query API's and just operate in your face? Are we back to file signatures?

rgds.


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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

said by qrkx See Profile :

...I thought it is agreed upon the fact that once root-ed zee boxen needs to be incinerated. ...
Nah... just the hard-drives and firmware flash chips. And in those rare instances of really pesky rootkits, the metal chassis may have to be scrubbed and rinsed thoroughly... or better still, repainted.
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said by qrkx See Profile :

Well - nine out of seven dentists believe scotch is better than Novocain.
And five out of four people have trouble with fractions.

But three out of five people, aren't the other two.

Anyway, is SysInternals RootkitRevealer sufficient, or should one be using more/different tools?
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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

Anyway, is SysInternals RootkitRevealer sufficient, or should one be using more/different tools?
While running SystInternals RootkitRevealer, it stops every minute or so and gives me an error message about only having partial compatibility with Vista. Now why am I not surprised by that?

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said by lefty1 See Profile :

While running SystInternals RootkitRevealer, it stops every minute or so and gives me an error message about only having partial compatibility with Vista. Now why am I not surprised by that?
The most recent version of RR seems to have been released on 11/1/2006-- prior to Vista.
Likely why.

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said by Blackbird See Profile :

Well, if one were to take the 1-in-5 rootkit infection stats at face value, one would naturally expect that infection rate to carry through pretty much across the spectrum. So are we seeing rootkits at that level across the board... in repair shops, at the consultant/guru level, at corporate IT departments, amongst home users, etc, etc?
No. Just like 25% of all computers in this world are not bots, as Vint Cerf suggested a while back.

But once again-- an A/V vendor saying 'just be careful and use some common sense' doesn't sell much product, does it?

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As expected...

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These guys are becoming the new KINGS of FUD, and once a month they issue more FUD, anyone remember this thread »One in Six PC's Could Be Infected With Malware from last month which featured Prevx in Network World magazine and so now we have had an infection increase of 4% in the space of one month in number of infected systems (even worse, infected with rootkits) featured in another article with Prevx and PC World. Wonder which magazine will feature them next month?

OK anyone found a root kit on their system yet, as I suspect all those root kits are on someone else's systems. I not trying to say all is safe and good in the world, but these guys are becoming FUD hypsters IMHO and have lost all creditability in my book.

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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

Remember that infection statistics from those of us in the know does not give the true picture, since many more PC's are owned by John and Jill (Clueless) Public. Given the fog in which many of these users operate, I have no doubt that many of their systems (quite possibly considerably more than 20%) have some sort of infection(s), and these folks would have no way of knowing what sort of "guests" have hitched a ride inside of their Windows installation, nor would they understand how to evict the "guests", even if they knew they were present.

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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

said by daveinpoway See Profile :

Remember that infection statistics from those of us in the know does not give the true picture, since many more PC's are owned by John and Jill (Clueless) Public. Given the fog in which many of these users operate, I have no doubt that many of their systems (quite possibly considerably more than 20%) have some sort of infection(s), and these folks would have no way of knowing what sort of "guests" have hitched a ride inside of their Windows installation, nor would they understand how to evict the "guests", even if they knew they were present.
The so-called "news story" didn't say a word about '20% of all clueless user computers', that I saw.

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clubs:
quote:
25% of all computers in this world are not bots,
Maybe not now, but, trust me, a few years ago I would have agreed with that statement whoever said it.I still say it's close.

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Hmm... if we add up all the stats (1 of 5 with rootkits, 1 of 6 with malware, 1 of 4 with bots, and so on), it won't be long before we reach a point very much like qrkx See Profile observed above when 9 out of 7 computers will have been infiltrated and infected in one way or another. It has been said: "Statistics - the last resort of scoundrels."
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Prevx CSI and the their full-blown HIPS both have shitty rootkit detection.

I don't know if CSI any any at all, actually.

Full product has very weak detection.
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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

said by Elite See Profile :

Prevx CSI and the their full-blown HIPS both have shitty rootkit detection.

I don't know if CSI any any at all, actually.

Full product has very weak detection.
Ok, what scanner do you like?
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said by Elite See Profile :

Prevx CSI and the their full-blown HIPS both have shitty rootkit detection.

I don't know if CSI any any at all, actually.

Full product has very weak detection.
I will have to differ just this once.

I loaded up during multiple sessions Rustock A,B
Runtime2(Cutwail/bulknet),Srizbi,Haxdoor(Poof),Haxdoor.sm

and was plesently surprised when it caught them all at one level or another.So it has quite a healthy scope IMO,it also caught RKU covert system file(Hidden service) and flagged it as bad but then again we know its not bad its just its self-defence/operational module at play.

That said as with all it is not 100% because as proved when Nulprot(Saturn) went completely undetected.The pending file rename trick fooled it as with many others;)

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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

Hmmmm very interesting.

Was Prevx installed prior to the infections?

I installed my Rustock.B sample, confirmed the infection with RkU, then installed Prevx, updated it, and did a full system scan. I believe this was back in maybe August?

Prevx found NOTHING. I later tested it with Unreal.A as well, and got the same results.

I've spoken with a few of higher ups @ Prevx (like the guys who run their blog) and last I heard, their improved rootkit detection module was still in alpha stages.
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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

They were from my zoo collection.PrevX CSI was installed/run after they were native and yep the results surprised me too

*I will post some support data/screenshots etc tomorrow when i have more time hopefully

But still FWIW i have samples in the zoo such as Nulprot,TR-inject(Allinone)that bypass this tool and have other samples that bypass Kaspersky7 series the last time i tested it.

So i still put may faith in forensic tools and slaving drives

Bubba17
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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

said by fatdcuk See Profile :

But still FWIW i have samples in the zoo such as Nulprot,TR-inject(Allinone)that bypass this tool and have other samples that bypass Kaspersky7 series the last time i tested it.
Here, KIS, with settings maxed and using the specific "rootkit" scan .. zip found. It's never even generated a message of any kind, false positive, nothing.

Blackbird said it, "Granted, not all folks at all points are looking for rootkits with equal skill or focus - if at all." Exactly. And, in the whole malware arena, this stealth payload delivery technique is the single thing leaving me unsasafied .. am I "really" sure I'm clean?

I've tried RootkitRevealer and, uh .. it's output, for me, cannot be called user friendly.

I've tried PREVXCSI and, for whatever reason, it wasn't happy on my system. It was early with it, maybe it would be happier now. I might re-try this.

Based on Elite's, "but that's a bit too advanced for some" qualification of RkU .. I damn sure got no business messing with it.

So, I'm still looking for additional anti-rootkit tool(s) I can wear/depend upon .. increase my sasafaction.

What is thought of F-Secure's Blacklight?
Are AVG's and McAfee's tools, already mentioned here, considered strong??

Any others?
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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

And, another thing .. a google of "anti rootkit" brings up lot's of offerings, including one's that, for all I know, might be rootkits masquerading as anti.

Like "GMER", which includes the blurb, "all your rootkits are belong to us". Uh huh, ok, sure they do.

Like "DarkSpy", which mentions China numerous places. I'm currently unhappy with China. Is this a trusted anti?

Just for instance.

edit: spelling

Elite

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RkU, but that's a bit too advanced for some.
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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

said by Elite See Profile :

RkU, but that's a bit too advanced for some.
Isn't Rku the brainchild of rootkit authors?
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I use AVG Anti-Rootkit free
»www.grisoft.com/doc/products-avg···1.1.0.42
works just fine IMO
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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

said by odreian615 See Profile :

I use AVG Anti-Rootkit free
»www.grisoft.com/doc/products-avg···1.1.0.42
works just fine IMO
I use this also, but they have not updated this thing in a long time.

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Nothing here.
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»www.prweb.com/releases/rootkits/···6142.htm

.....The result of these changes has been an increase in the number of PCs seen to have one or more active spyware, malware or rootkit programs running on them - from 15.6 percent or 1 in 6 during October 2007, to 22 percent or more than 1 in 5 today......

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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

Add my PC to their list of infected:


As I am fairly certain this is a false positive, I wonder just how inflated Prevx's numbers are over all.
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Elite

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Just checked out the new version of CSI, looks like rootkit detection has been improved quite a bit.

Too bad my Rustock.B sample won't run on my quad core.
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OZO
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Guys, have you noticed that Prevx sends a lot (and I mean, a lot) of encrypted data to one of its servers. Its done during the scan via multiple POST commands.

What it sends?

Is it only me?
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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

»info.prevx.com/csihelp.asp

"When Prevx CSI scans your PC it builds a mini-database of forensic data for each file it wishes to check. This data is then sent to our Prevx Automated Malware Research Center where it is thoroughly checked and analyzed by our massively powerful servers. Because we are performing a very extensive analysis on our servers, we take most of the load off of your PC. The result is a scan that is fast, always up to date and much more effective than conventional approaches."

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"This data is then sent to our Prevx Automated Malware Research Center where it is thoroughly checked and analyzed by our massively powerful servers".

Wow!
Had I known they had "massively powerful servers", I might have been tempted to try this a long time ago.

Now that's impressive!
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Portmonkey
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McAfee's Virus Scan Plus claims that it "detects and kills rootkits and other malicious applications that hide from Windows and other anti-virus programs", and it works with Vista. When I was still using XP, I switched back and forth between a few different rootkit scanners, but now I'm hoping McAfee has that area covered.
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This brought up nothing on my XP box. That one is mainly for audio/video and rarely goes online, but it's the "experimental" system where I try out all kinds of software.

Does it bother anyone else that to check for rootkits on Windows, you have to download a closed-source binary, logon as Administrator and let it exchange who-knows-what with a remote server?

I suppose prevx is a reputable company, but that would be against security policy on my main workhorse pc.
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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

last time i was going to test prevx i fortunatly found out what data was submitted and how it was going to be used, and stopped immediatly testing it. Here an example of a scan of a (corrupted) adware sample i let scan half year ago for demo purpose:
»info.prevx.com/aboutprogramtext.···b57b46e1
as more users use prevx csi, as better it is for the prevx database. but i am not going to contribute to the database.

Elite

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GMER and DarkSpy are both very reputable anti-rootkits.

IceSword is also very good.

However, none of these 3 anti-rootkits are very user-friendly. As with RkU, you really need to know what you're looking for.
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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

said by Elite See Profile :

GMER and DarkSpy are both very reputable anti-rootkits.

IceSword is also very good.

However, none of these 3 anti-rootkits are very user-friendly. As with RkU, you really need to know what you're looking for.
Ok. But, you recognize the problem though (sigh).

As for "really need to know what you're looking for" ... do you have a couple of links you might share where one could attempt rootkit self education, for dummies, like myself? Or, is knowing what to look for beyond the average users ability?

Obviously, too, there must be something inherently difficult associated with anti that I don't understand, else, I would think, some security company would have already created "the" (if not one of "the") program(s) that could reliably, definitively, perform anti while being "user friendly".

I'd certainly purchase such a program.
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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

Although you were replying to someone else...

said by Bubba17 See Profile :

Obviously, too, there must be something inherently difficult associated with anti that I don't understand, else, I would think, some security company would have already created "the" (if not one of "the") program(s) that could reliably, definitively, perform anti while being "user friendly".

Some of them are very good. The problem is that malware authors - and especially rootkit authors - are constantly coming up with new techniques. Among other things, they examine all the detection software and code specifically to evade them.

So you always have to have the latest, and it still may not be enough. What's more important is not allowing the opportunity for infection in the first place.

User-friendliness is a different issue.

said by Bubba17 See Profile :

As for "really need to know what you're looking for" ... do you have a couple of links you might share where one could attempt rootkit self education, for dummies, like myself? Or, is knowing what to look for beyond the average users ability?
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit has general info. rootkit.com is an in-depth source, but you have to be a programmer to follow much of it.

Bubba17
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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

Thanks, swhx7 (and to you fcukdat and Elite also!)

Very much appreciate you all.

Elite

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Well, they're really not as bad as I've probably made them sound.

For example, RkU is broken down into different tabs (SSDT hooks, Shadow SSDT hooks, ect). It's also got a pretty good manual as well, for help in understanding what everything does.

I'd say grab RkU and play with it (google for RkU 3.7.300.509) As long as you don't unhook anything, you shouldn't BSOD the machine. You can post any questions you have or just PM me.
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fatdcuk
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Sorry for the delay folks but as promised yesterday here is are the screenshots/data returned from testing some of the tools mentioned in this thread versus samples from my Zoo collection.

All RK malwares used have been harvested from in the wild infections over the last 18months and there are no proof-of-concept RK's used.These are live malware rootkits

Testbed1(loaded malware RK's)
1)Rustock B (huy32.sys)
2)Nulprot (asc3550.sys+asc3550p.sys)*
3)Haxdoor (ntio256.sys+protector.exe)
4)Srizbi (Eyvw95.sys)
5)Cutwail/Bulknet (Runtime2.sys)**

*Imports a secondary infection from the WWW that is not hidden.
**Drops other files after installation that are not hidden.

Prev-X CSI= 4/5 Is blind to Nulprot.



AVG AntiRootKit= 4/5 Is blind to Nulprot.


RKU= 4/5 Is blind to Nulprot.


GMER 1.0.14 Beta= 5/5


Nulprot VT upload today>>>
»www.virustotal.com/resultado.htm···7b697495

Testbed2(loaded malware RK's)
1)Rustock A (lzx32.sys)
2)Wincom32 (Wincom32.sys)
3)TR.inject/allinone(VideoAti0.sys+dll+exe)
4)Haxdoor.sm(Pasksa.dll+p81eskse.sys)

Prev X CSI= 3/4 Blind to Allinone


AVG AntiRootKit= 4/4


RKU =4/4


GMER 1.0.14Beta= 4/4


TR.Inject/Allinone VT report today>>>
»www.virustotal.com/resultado.htm···f327bde6

Bubba17
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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

Well, based on the test results you've shared (again, thanks), I obtained GMER 1.0.13 (wasn't able to obtain your beta version) and it's not finding anything.

Notice ... I didn't announce I was clean.

fatdcuk
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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

Here is the GMER 1.0.14 Beta link>>>
»www2.gmer.net/beta/

I've been using the Beta version for around 4 weeks now and can safely say it is more stable for my setup and has gained some more functionability over the previous version:)

AB
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said by Bubba17 See Profile :

Notice ... I didn't announce I was clean.
Yes, I notice that.
Well, allow me to announce-- my machine is clean!
Yeah, baby! Yee-haaa!

I think I owe a debt of gratitude to SipSizurp's and the others' clients though, that shouldered the burden and helped to keep me in that other 75 or 80% percentile.
Whew! Close one!

Thanks, gents!

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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

said by AB See Profile :

I think I owe a debt of gratitude to SipSizurp's and the others' clients though, that shouldered the burden and helped to keep me in that other 75 or 80% percentile.
Whew! Close one!
You found something? And, successfully eradicated it?

You used RkU? Did you try GMER?
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AB
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Re: One in Five PC's Infected With Rootkits

said by Bubba17 See Profile :

said by AB See Profile :

I think I owe a debt of gratitude to SipSizurp's and the others' clients though, that shouldered the burden and helped to keep me in that other 75 or 80% percentile.
Whew! Close one!
You found something?
Nope. Not a thing.

This is why I'm in that 'other percentile'.
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