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Re: Completely understandable
said by JasonD :
Telco's get beaten over the head on a daily basis for not providing broadband to areas we all know don't make good business sense. So is it any wonder they are trying to protect and insulate themselves from all this crap?
That's fine, but actively opposing municipality's who are attempting to deploy in rural area's is going too far.
Deploying in rural area's will give incumbents competition, as the municipality's will have infrastructure in area's of the incumbent, that they have no control over.
When and if they decide to deploy, it will already have established service, making it less profitable for them.
As far as this connect nation thing, town's that try and deploy without thier help and control of the incumbents, get heavy opposition. Even if they have no plan's for deploying in thier area's. Seem's to be a conflict of interest in there somewhere's.
How bout if those municipality's start connecting together, and bypass incumbents altogether? Aye? 
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pnh102
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| said by gaforces  :That's fine, but actively opposing municipality's who are attempting to deploy in rural area's is going too far. Each time a Bell stops a municipally funded Internet project it should be given a medal. These projects have a solid reputation for turning into huge money pits. Local governments have more important things to spend money on than providing Internet.
There is nothing stopping private citizens from investing their own money, without the help of government, to roll their own Internet.
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Ahrenl
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North Andover, MA | reply to pnh102
Thanks for the FUD.
Local governments should get to decide what to spend THEIR money on. |
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pnh102
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| said by Ahrenl :Thanks for the FUD. FUD? Go search this website and you will see many stories about municipal internet failures and boondoggles.
said by Ahrenl :Local governments should get to decide what to spend THEIR money on. It isn't their money. That money belongs to the taxpayers and the government has a responsibility to spend it on things that are needed, not on toys.
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Ahrenl
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North Andover, MA | Local money in local governments is very much controlable by locals.
Leave out of the search wifi/wimax and get back to me. Municpal wired networks have done just fine... |
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pnh102
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| said by Ahrenl :Leave out of the search wifi/wimax and get back to me. Why? These are perfect examples of why governments need to stay out of the Internet racket.
said by Ahrenl :Municpal wired networks have done just fine... Of course they have. It is very easy to be successful when you have the taxpayer teat, or funds coming in from another municipally run service, from which you can leech.
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Karl Bode
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It is very easy to be successful when you have the taxpayer teat
I'm sorry, just to be clear, are you talking about muni operators or incumbent operators? |
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antarctica | Both obviously, because both do so. The funny thing is that taxpayers can either spend the money on their own infrastructure, or they can spend the money propping up some investors portfolio. |
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said by Karl Bode :I'm sorry, just to be clear, are you talking about muni operators or incumbent operators? Who's fault is it when any private company gets any taxpayer money?
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With all of the talk about how much the cable and telcos rates are, what makes your believe the muni projects are money pits? Maybe their money pits are less? (I don't know)
The internet today is not the internet of yore. It is now where we get access to government, private company bill payments, news, video, radio and good old fashioned plain old discussion via ad-block required web sites. Wait around,
it'll be more or a pita to converse in ten years unless you accept the ads and willing to participate with shills.
In 94 the bells wanted nothing to do with the internet.
They have now taken out the ISPs
There is something to prevent us from investing our own money...we can't get right of way access as individuals or anything other than spending a fortune to be declares cable tv or telephone companies.
You have a profitable idea (or even break-even)?
said by pnh102 :Each time a Bell stops a municipally funded Internet project it should be given a medal. These projects have a solid reputation for turning into huge money pits. Local governments have more important things to spend money on than providing Internet. There is nothing stopping private citizens from investing their own money, without the help of government, to roll their own Internet. |
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said by pnh102 :said by Karl Bode :I'm sorry, just to be clear, are you talking about muni operators or incumbent operators? Who's fault is it when any private company gets any taxpayer money? You didn't answer him. Here's your statement and his question again:
said by Karl Bode : said by pnh1102 :
It is very easy to be successful when you have the taxpayer teat
I'm sorry, just to be clear, are you talking about muni operators or incumbent operators?
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pnh102
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| said by fatness :You didn't answer him. Here's your statement and his question again: said by Karl Bode : said by pnh1102 :
It is very easy to be successful when you have the taxpayer teat
I'm sorry, just to be clear, are you talking about muni operators or incumbent operators? My bad.
Both do quite well (financially) when getting taxpayer money. We see the same examples when taxpayers build stadiums for professional sports teams and such.
And that's why it is always wrong, and it is always the fault of the government when these things are allowed to happen.
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