whoami
@verizon.net | reply to birdfeedr
Re: How do I rid myself of this Actiontec Router?
Oooh! Can you talk dirty to me too?
Uh huh uh huh uh uh uh huh, aaah |
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birdfeedr
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to me again
said by me again :
Anyone notice the original poster (troll?) hasn't responded to everyone's suggestions?
Time to end this thread.
If you need to see this thread ended, why did you post? Why not HeyMod it, and get it locked. What? Don't have a good reason other than an anonymous poster never signed in with the same name he started with?
Oh hey, never mind, you didn't contribute anything to the discussion anyway, did you? Unless of course you were whoami who responded to the original post. And that was not really a contribution to the discussion, was it?
Ordinarily, I don't have problems with anon posters, even in your case when you said the OP was a troll. But when you come back and repeat your claim, then I'll start to question your motives.
One thing about being a registered user is that previous posts can be sorted through to get an idea of what the member likes, dislikes, works with, how they rate their ISP, well, lots of things. Including, say, how constructive they may be in helping the DSLR (BBR) community grow and evolve.
Why there are many anonymous posters in this forum is because someone may have a problem, and find their way here to ask a question. Google *is* your friend. And, Justin allows people to start a topic without being registered, so they do. Lots of people contribute to the thread, some on topic, some off topic like this post. That's the way it goes most of the time.
You don't know that the OP did not come back. There's at least one poster to this thread with a join date after the thread started. And, you don't know that his question was not answered elsewhere. He could have solved his problem but forgot to say Thank You. He could have asked the question other people wanted to know the answer to. This thread is certainly a repeat of others posted elsewhere. And if he didn't get satisfaction, how do you know someone else didn't get their questions answered?
So this thread is a waste of time, now?
A troll usually calls someone else a troll, to deflect attention from their real intentions. And yours is that of a five-year-old, who wants to walk and talk with the big boys, doesn't know what to say, and has to run to keep up.
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me again
@verizon.net | reply to aeproberts
Anyone notice the original poster (troll?) hasn't responded to everyone's suggestions?
Time to end this thread. |
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mackey
join:2007-08-20
| reply to killerkhan
said by killerkhan  :I am wondering if I can keep the coax from ONT to actiontec, convert actiontec to bridge mode, connect my firewall to the actiontec WAN and connect 1 cable from actiontec LAN to my firewall LAN, will that do the trick to use my own firewall along with actiontec bridge mode and settop boxes doing their vod garbage? Anyone out there that have done this plz step up and put some technical light on this? is this doable at all? I dont care if verizon supports this setup or not, just trying to get my own firewall to work with verizon fios and tv. thanks, My setup:
[ethernet] ONT -> my firewall/router
[ethernet] firewall -> switch -> runs to computers and Actiontec WAN port
[coax] ONT -> splitter -> one run to each set top box and the Actiontec
So yeah, just put the Actiontec behind your firewall and make sure it also has coax running to it, no configuration necessary. If you are getting your data service over the coax now, just start a thread in the VZ direct forum and they'll switch you over at no charge (assuming you run and hook up the ethernet cable yourself). [tip: when you schedule the switchover, make sure you release your IP address from the Actiontec just before the switch occurs; otherwise, your firewall will not pull an IP until the lease on your old one expires (may take up to a day to expire)]
/mackey |
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stanh2002
@verizon.net
| reply to aeproberts
I had two problems with my AT router.
1) NAT problem (discussed in other threads, shows up as NAT errors in firewall log).
2) Dropped packets for wireless (1 in 4 packets in ping tests would not make it).
I have a Dlink WBR2310. After trying the bridge stuff, I just put my Dlink in Access Point mode, turned off AT wireless, and used Dlink for PC connections (wired / wireless). Seems to have solved problem 2, and 90% of the problem. Still hangs a bit, but wireless is now useable. The funny thing is that signal strength was higher with AT on wireless, but it just didn't work. |
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smajchrz
join:2003-10-11
Chantilly, VA
| reply to killerkhan
Check out this thread for some help
»How-to: make ActionTec MI424-WR a network bridge
Also, another option that may work is to go to ebay and find a Motorola Nim100. When the system was first rolled out, it had an ethernet connection to a router for internet and a coaxial to the STBs and you would run a NIM100 from the router to a free coax port to inject the VOD guide info. Others have used NIM100s in other ways such as to network their TIVOs, add network connects to rooms that only have coax outlets etc, so it is possible this would work. However, you already have the Actiontec and I think you can get it to work even if it is less than ideal (I like having two separate connections myself).
The current install still connects the ONT to the STBs so dont get confused on that one. Think of it this way, the ONT connects to a coax 4-way splitter. Three of the outputs are connected to STBs and one is connected to the Actiontec. It really just simplifies the install for them and the average Joe while it is an annoyance to those of us that want a bit more freedom.
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killerkhan
join:2008-01-22
Huntington Station, NY
| reply to killerkhan
ok, quick update...
after being on hold and bounced around from dept to dept in verizon support hell. It turns out that for a verizon tech to come out to my house to change the cable from coax to Ethernet, its a $160 cost and this is something that is not negotiable. They really need to run 2 cables for customers with FIOS and TV, ethernet for internet and coax for tv. This is pure bull crap.
So I am back to square 1.
I am wondering if I can keep the coax from ONT to actiontec, convert actiontec to bridge mode, connect my firewall to the actiontec WAN and connect 1 cable from actiontec LAN to my firewall LAN, will that do the trick to use my own firewall along with actiontec bridge mode and settop boxes doing their vod garbage?
Anyone out there that have done this plz step up and put some technical light on this? is this doable at all? I dont care if verizon supports this setup or not, just trying to get my own firewall to work with verizon fios and tv. thanks,
Kiler |
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killerkhan
join:2008-01-22
Huntington Station, NY
| reply to killerkhan
ok so I called verizon and try to explain to them what I am trying to do and their straight up answer was that this scenario is not supported. They wont even work with you to help you at all, so I was like fuck it, so I cancelled my TV service with verizon, and on the phone now with cablevision to get TV through them.
Verizon TV and their lousy MOCA can goto hell.
Verizon FIOS on the other hand is another story  |
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killerkhan
join:2008-01-22
Huntington Station, NY
| reply to smajchrz
smajchrz, quick 2 questions...
1: if i use ethernet from ONT to my router will verizon also run coax to my STB's from ont?
2: if they only give u an option of ethernet or coax, and I choose ethernet does that mean that the coax for the STB's will be another run ? or can I use coax from ONT to router and change the actiontec to bridge, then how will the STB's get an IP address from my firewall, since I will be connecting the actiontec LAN port to my firewall WAN port and the STB's require an internal IP address hence I cannot assign local IP range to devices coming in from WAN port on my firewall.
this whole setup is very confusing, does anyone have a working diagram of all devices and how they are connected? it will make things alot easier to comprehend.
thanks,
killer |
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smajchrz
join:2003-10-11
Chantilly, VA
| reply to killerkhan
I basically have the setup you have depicted in your diagram as well. However, you are missing the coax link between the ONT and the STBs as the standard video is still over coax with on the Guide and VOD over the data line.
Now it sounds like you only have a coax connection coming in from the ONT and the Actiontec is stripping off the data portion (I believe this is now the standard practice). I believe what some people are doing is running the actiontec in bridged mode between the ONT and their router/firewall of choice. This allows the Actiontec to still provide the guide and VOD data but just pass data with no added interaction (someone correct me if this is wrong).
As for Hauppauge Media extenders rather than STBs, I am not sure that will do what you want. If you want anything beyond the local "in the clear" channels, you must have a STB or a cablecard. I suppose if the server is connected to a STB you would be able to do it, but every tv would only be able to see the same channel at any given time. |
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killerkhan
join:2008-01-22
Huntington Station, NY
| reply to Thespis
thank you Thespis, I think you just answered my question. The solution lies in caling Verizon and having them convert my ONT to router connection from COAX to ETHERNET. I know they will make some noise about telling me my tv vod or whatever will not work, but I will tell them I dont care about it or somehting like that. My goal will be to have verizon come to the house and change the cable from ONT to my network from coax to ethernet, then I will convert the actiontec to be in bridge mode, then I will connect all my devices like shown in the pic and off I go
By the way, I am going to be setting up a media server, and hoping to use Hauppauge Media extenders on all my TV's instead of the verizon set top boxes and serve up all my media from the media server, including live tv, thats why I put a gigabit switch there bec all the TV's will be connected via ethernet via gigabit CAT6 cables to my media center. But thats a discussion for another topic. Thanks again Thespis.
Killer |
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Thespis
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
Premium
join:2004-08-03
Keller, TX
1 edit | reply to killerkhan
said by killerkhan : As if this does not work I will have to disconnect FIOSTV and only use internet and get TV from another provider. thanks That setup will work fine. It looks pretty much like mine except for the switch. I have a DLink router with a NIM hanging off a LAN port and connected to a splitter on the coax system. (Edit: I'm not sure about using a switch between the router and a bridged Actiontec.)
Things get interesting when the only MOCA connection you have is the Actiontec or if your ONT supplies your internet connection via coax.
If you have an ethernet connection from the ONT and a NIM, it's easy. |
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DragonTech
@verizon.net
| reply to aeproberts
Personally what I did was find an old 500Mhz computer I had and converted it to a router. I used a hardened Debian Linux router distro called Vyatta. Not for the faint of heart but has provided me a solid router that I can throw anything at without it dying. |
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killerkhan
join:2008-01-22
Huntington Station, NY | reply to birdfeedr
birdfeedr, thank you for your responce, looking forward to your findings. As if this does not work I will have to disconnect FIOSTV and only use internet and get TV from another provider. thanks |
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birdfeedr
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to killerkhan
I may be mistaken, but the only reason to put the Actiontec in bridge mode appears to be for media conversion (MoCA to Ethernet). If your data is provisioned from the ONT on ethernet, you hang the Actiontec right off a LAN port on your own router.
Another poster elsewhere said use a crossover cable, but I'm not, without detriment.
I'm testing that right now. The program guide data appears ok. Don't know yet about VOD stability.
My plan is to make it as simple as it can be and post the results when done. |
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killerkhan
join:2008-01-22
Huntington Station, NY
| reply to birdfeedr
Is this doable with verizon fios and tv? I want to know if with this kinda setup I can have the vod and other fios tv specific stuff available? thanks |
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birdfeedr
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to aeproberts
Troll? I don't think so.
Having looked everywhere through this forum about using a router with or without the Actiontec, for TV or not TV, with cat5 or coax, there are a wide variety of answers that are out there.
Someone hung the AT off a router port with a crossover, there's a FAQ for connecting LAN ports together. There's a very long topic on how to bridge the AT, and it seems there are variations for the solution there as well.
It can be very confusing. I can't call someone a troll for asking questions about how to fix problems. There are so many different elements where something can go wrong so you're not getting your provisioned speed, dropping connections, getting repetitive reboots and forced firmware upgrades, and Lord knows how many other problems. One person may have a problem that others haven't had. Some of us (like me) can count ourselves lucky.
FWIW, I found a FAQ entry about using my router ahead of the AT since I have TV, but am provisioned on the cat5 for data. So far, this seems to work, although it may prove unreliable later.
Actually, I don't think there's a finer set of testers and tweakers here that Verizon could get anywhere else. Push that envelope! 
There's always the Verizon Direct forum next door! |
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kontos
xyzzy
join:2001-10-04
West Henrietta, NY
| reply to Anonname
said by Anonname :
couldn't he request a NIM? Or does Verizon not stock those anymore and expects you to use an ActionTec?
Even if it were possible, how many times would you have to be transfered, and put on hold before you talked to somebody who knows what you were asking for? |
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cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
| reply to aeproberts
i agree, this barely seems like trolling, just someone that doesn't like the actiontec router. if he is trolling, this a pretty poor attempt to.
the actiontec suits most people, but not all. no amount of 'configuring' can make up for its shortcomings that few people have found and experienced. |
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Anonname
@verizon.net
| reply to me again
Uhh, how is he trolling? He is having issues with his ActionTec and wants to get rid of it. You're content with your's so you're a-ok. I don't see how the OP is being a troll in anyway.... Just because it works for you doesn't mean it works for everyone else.
And thanks guys for answering the NIM thing. Curious though, if the guy wanted a different router yet wanted all the TV stuff, couldn't he request a NIM? Or does Verizon not stock those anymore and expects you to use an ActionTec? |
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