icp1
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join:2000-10-13
Saint Louis, MO
clubs: | Cool!
I just submitted this as news, good timing Karl!
Would prefer it was available to non-uverse as well, but at least it's a start in the right direction... |
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ztmike
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Premium
join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN | So they added 4 mbps...not ground breaking at ALL. and the upload is pretty much the same..
At&t you fail! |
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Joe12345678
join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL | reply to icp1
will U-verse user with fiber to the home be able to get even higher speeds? |
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digitalfreak
join:2005-12-09
49533 | No, though the fiber would obviously support it. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
 ·Comcast
1 edit | reply to Joe12345678
said by Joe12345678  :will U-verse user with fiber to the home be able to get even higher speeds? U-verse doesn't have fiber to the home - they run the fiber to those big, ugly cabinets that occasionally explode, then use legacy copper from cabinet to home. I think they keep max. copper run to 1000 ft, but that's what limits the speed. Users closer than 1000 ft can get faster speeds (up to 100Mbps if real close).
U-verse is a copper/fiber kludge cause ATT too cheap to run fiber all the way to home. |
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carpdiem
join:2001-02-11
Cedarburg, WI | Not true. |
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cwh
join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX | reply to nasadude
Actually new builds are getting fiber. So probably about 5% of uverse is FTTP from the start. The install limit is back to around 3000 feet right now. |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
1 edit | So what do they do for people over 3,000 ft? Are they putting new boxes in?
The way their network topography is here now, they have a box around every 10,000 ft in my town.
I am at 9000 ft.
Would I lose my ISP since they are reselling ATT circuits? |
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cwh
join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX
| This is going to 3000 from the new boxes they are putting in now. They are going to go with pair bonding sometime this year and I assume that that will basically double the distance they can reach. They are delivering a 25/2 profile now on a single pair at 3000 feet, so I think it is safe to assume they could deliver the same profile at 6000 feet with 2 pairs. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to carpdiem
said by carpdiem :Not true. my bad. guess I haven't kept up close enuf with U-verse. I can't get it, don't expect to get it and wouldn't want it anyway (unless it's the fttp).
the fiber/copper is still a kludge and the 3000' limit would appear to make it worse, even if they are channel bonding. this type of system will always be catching up to fiber, just like cable will. |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
1 edit | reply to cwh
Ic, looks like they are leaving the old boxes intact.
Not that I have to worry about it, they don't look to have any plans for deployment here.
They try to sell me ATT satellite dish when I check on their site. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to gaforces
No, Uverse VRADs DO NOT generate any POTS signal. All POTS customers will still get their service how they used to. When you order Uverse, they go into your local cross connect box (a VRAD will always be next to one), take your line running from whatever legacy POTS generator (Pairgain, Remote Terminal, CO) you used before, send it into the VRAD, VRAD has a filter to stop VDSL from going back to the CO/Remote Terminal, and then the VRAD returns the line back to the cross connect box, then the pair goes to your home. They simply feed the line through the VRAD. When you unsubscribe from Uverse, your line will be cut out of the VRAD, as to not waste a VDSL modem slot inside it.
This isn't like a traditional RT installs where suddenly one day you get a letter saying your non-Incumbant DSL service will end on such and such day, thanks for being a customer, goodbye, since you loose having a plain copper pair going back to the central office, and CLECs usually never put/can't put their equipment in the RT, which is the "end" of your copper pair now. |
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bogey
@mycingular.net | reply to ztmike
Pretty much the same? You mean they increased it by 50% (or 150% of previous max..pota-to/potah-to) and that's still not good enough? |
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bogey
@mycingular.net | reply to nasadude
You post here often enough that you know that to not be true. |
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MyDogHsFleas
Premium
join:2007-08-15
Austin, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
 ·AT&T Southwest
| reply to patcat88
said by patcat88 :No, Uverse VRADs DO NOT generate any POTS signal. ...(snip)... Outstanding explanation! I now understand exactly how RT, CO, POTS, and VRADs work together. Thanks for the enlightenment!!
Let me amplify on my situation. I have two pairs coming into my house. Pair 1 has POTS + AT&T DSL (Elite). Pair 2 used to have POTS but now has nothing. There is a VRAD two blocks from me. I am Uverse eligible.
If I sign up for U-verse, what I'd like to do is to keep my current DSL in parallel with U-Verse Internet (VDSL). Then I can try it out and see if it works for me. (I'm concerned about latency, and how well it supports my VoIP service). This will leave me free to cancel U-verse with no financial penalty if VDSL Internet is not satisfactory. Or, if I choose to jump, I can cancel the DSL. In any case I'd probably cancel the TV portion of U-verse.
Could I accomplish this by simply keeping my current Pair 1 with POTS and DSL, and having them cross-connnect Pair 2 to the VRAD and run my U-verse over that pair?
Would the AT&T billing and provisioning systems be able to deal with that? |
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factchecker
@cox.net | reply to bogey
After all the overhead, you go from being able to upload at around 880-900kbps to around 1200-1250kbps... Not that big of a difference. |
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jgkolt
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join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
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1 edit | reply to ztmike
it is groundbreaking since its a dedicated connection and shouldn't fluctuate much at all. my 15 mbps time warner on the 15 mbps tier fluctuated from 2mbps to 18.5 mbps before i got rid of them. with uverse i get a steady 6.5 to 6.7 mbps internet everytime on a 6mpbs tier. What will be nicer is when you can have 2 hd streams and more sd streams.
Oh and my rg is connecting at around 60mbps
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MyDogHsFleas
Premium
join:2007-08-15
Austin, TX
·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T Southwest
| reply to factchecker
said by factchecker :
After all the overhead, you go from being able to upload at around 880-900kbps to around 1200-1250kbps... Not that big of a difference.
Not that big of a difference? Seems big to me. For example, I have AT&T DSL Elite at 768k rated, and I peak at about 560Kbits actual data speed. That's 70Kbytes/sec. So a 20 megabyte upload takes 285 seconds or 4 3/4 minutes. If I could double my upload speed to 1.5M rated, presumably I'd halve my upload time to about 2 1/2 minutes. |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA | reply to patcat88
Thanks for the info. |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here
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So if speed is 1Mb/s and the increase in speed is to 1.5Mb/s then the ratio of 50% increase will filter on through to the new speed.
Or in other words the increase speed suffers the same overhead increase and the changes in actual speed change directly proportional. They boost the set speed by 50% and the actual speed will be boosted by 50%. |
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