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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | reply to MrMoody
Re: Filters are good Telephone number VOIP (Vonage, etc) does not make your a server, since their IP can be the "server". Not too familiar with online games, I assume most gamers connect to a server in a datacenter somewhere, not p2p with other users (higher cheating possibility in p2p architecture). IM systems already have central server to relay video/file transfers through if both IM users are firewalled and can't receive incoming.
ATT explicitly bans leaving on a p2p app 24/7 but no explicit banning servers by word »www.att.net/csbellsouth/s/s.dll?···&leg=tos
Verizon outright bans all servers
"3.7.5 You may not use the Broadband Service to host any type of server whether personal or commercial in nature."
Comcast bans VPM explicitly
"resell the Service or otherwise make available to anyone outside the Premises the ability to use the Service (i.e. wi-fi, or other methods of networking), in whole or in part, directly or indirectly, or on a bundled or unbundled basis. The Service is for personal and non-commercial use only and you agree not to use the Service for operation as an Internet service provider or for any business enterprise or purpose, or as an end-point on a non-Comcast local area network or wide area network"
And also bans servers in a very loose definition, and bans p2p unless your run leecher mods
"run programs, equipment, or servers from the Premises that provide network content or any other services to anyone outside of your Premises LAN (Local Area Network), also commonly referred to as public services or servers. Examples of prohibited services and servers include, but are not limited to, e-mail, Web hosting, file sharing, and proxy services and servers;"
Qwest explictly allows servers
"Service may be used to host a server, personal or commercial, as long as such server is used pursuant to the terms and
conditions of this Agreement applicable to Service and not for any malicious purposes. Malicious purposes include without limitation
Spam, viruses, worms, Trojans, etc."
Some ISPs ban, some don't. They can always switch. | |
 MrMoodyFree range slavePremium
join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC | said by patcat88:Telephone number VOIP (Vonage, etc) does not make your a server, since their IP can be the "server". Wrong. How do you receive phone calls? Client connections cannot remain open indefinitely. The Vonage box waiting for an incoming request is, by definition, a server. And not all VoIP is standard telephone like Vonage either. Ever hear of Skype?
Not too familiar with online games, I assume most gamers connect to a server in a datacenter somewhere, not p2p with other users (higher cheating possibility in p2p architecture). No you aren't. Nearly all games connect user to user to reduce lag and server load. Head to head real-time games quickly become unplayable with any amount of lag.
Comcast bans {VPN} explicitly
"resell the Service or otherwise make available to anyone outside the Premises the ability to use the Service (i.e. wi-fi, or other methods of networking), in whole or in part, directly or indirectly, or on a bundled or unbundled basis. The Service is for personal and non-commercial use only and you agree not to use the Service for operation as an Internet service provider or for any business enterprise or purpose, or as an end-point on a non-Comcast local area network or wide area network" No this doesn't prohibit VPN, because VPN doesn't connect remote LAN users onto Comcast's network. This is referring to reselling: allowing others to use your connection.
And also bans servers in a very loose definition, and bans p2p unless your run leecher mods
"run programs, equipment, or servers from the Premises that provide network content or any other services to anyone outside of your Premises LAN (Local Area Network), also commonly referred to as public services or servers. Examples of prohibited services and servers include, but are not limited to, e-mail, Web hosting, file sharing, and proxy services and servers;" Referring to public servers exactly as I said. Services != servers, and they only prohibit servers that provide services to others, so a server that doesn't provide services to others is OK. This is the only reasonable prohibition against servers, and I believe RoadRunner and others are worded similarly.
So Verizon is the only one that really prohibits all servers, and they don't enforce it at all, probably because it would be ridiculous to do so. Their lawyers, like you, probably don't know what a server really is or is used for.
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | quote:
Main Entry:
serv·er Listen to the pronunciation of server
Pronunciation:
\ˈsər-vər\
Function:
noun
Date:
15th century
1 : one that serves food or drink
2 : the player who serves (as in tennis)
3 : something used in serving food or drink
4 : one that serves legal processes upon another
5 : the celebrant's assistant at mass
6 : a computer in a network that is used to provide services (as access to files or shared peripherals or the routing of e-mail) to other computers in the network
Source: »www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?b···a=server
"provide services", is the opposite of "receive services".
VOIP protocols can always paging channels that are kept alive, one reason why UDP exists, your still not a server in using one. In p2p, someone has to be the server by definition of TCP, Skype clients become tunnels if they are unfirewalled, thats offering services to others outside your LAN/one big open proxy server.
My mistake, it bans running a VPN server, not running a VPN client. The VPN ban, bans you from running a VPN server or more loosly a proxy on your comcast connection, then have clients use the VPN server. Just because 1 clause doesn't match the spirit of the sentence/paragraph, it doesn't make it unenforceable in my legalese knowledge.
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"run programs, equipment, or servers from the Premises that provide network content or any other services to anyone outside of your Premises LAN (Local Area Network), also commonly referred to as public services or servers. Examples of prohibited services and servers include, but are not limited to, e-mail, Web hosting, file sharing, and proxy services and servers;
"commonly refered to" isn't the legal definition. The first part of the sentence is. "examples of" "but are not limited to", just because they list those, doesn't mean other things are not against TOS, says it in the sentence.
Regarding Gamers, well you can always go back to telnet MUD games and people who want a GUI can goto a RPG JK JK Other than lagging everyone through central server, no way around that problem other than changing the type of gameplay, gamers will revolt, and thats pretty bad. Personally I know of alot of joe six pack gamers, when they can't play, expect hell.
Speaking of gamers, whatever happened to GameRail? Incumabant ISPs could always advertise something similar to GameRail and make you buy their "gaming addon" to be able to p2p with other gamers. | |
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