Dogfather
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| Must be law
or telco and cable operators will abuse their market position to steer customers to their own commercial partners or own services (eg cable telephony).
At best telco and cable operators will try and double dip, charing both content providers and customers to deliver the same content. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | Contact you congressperson here:
»savetheinternet.com/=act |
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TKJunkMail
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1 edit | Or go here for some facts:
»handsoff.org/blog/net-neutrality···fidence/
»handsoff.org/blog/quick-facts
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Dogfather
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1 edit | Facts brought to you by The New AT&T.
Handsoff.org is the posterchild for Astroturfing.
Hands off reality, hands off our money tree, hands off our oligopoly would be more approporiate domain names for the Merc groups propaganda site.
No thanks. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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"Hands Off The Internet believes that the best way to avoid burdensome and unnecessary regulation and mandates is by ensuring that market forces deliver the benefits that only fair competition...
I haven't seen any fair competition yet; I haven't seen competition AT ALL, fair or otherwise. I eagerly await the day when I have more than one broadband provider to choose from.
...can bring to the American consumer - maximum choice in supplier, content and technology.For example, recent years have shown that companies have raced to develop a variety of high-speed Internet access systems, including cable wire, DSL and wireless. These events were competition in its purest form, and we directly benefited consumers through lower prices.
the sentence in bold should be nominated for best fictional statement of the year; there is no meaningful competition in the U.S. market and there won't be any for years to come. |
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MyDogHsFleas
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| said by nasadude  :the sentence in bold should be nominated for best fictional statement of the year; there is no meaningful competition in the U.S. market and there won't be any for years to come. That is simply fantasy. Personally, I can choose my broadband provider from cable (Time Warner), aDSL or VDSL (AT&T), or satellite (WildBlue or HughesNet). Soon, wireless broadband will also be a reasonable option with 3G rollouts in place and 4G rollouts happening within the next 12-18 months. There's a TON of competition out there. |
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nasadude
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| said by MyDogHsFleas :...There's a TON of competition out there. I live in area code 20850; I eagerly await your list of multiple broadband providers in my area.
EVERYONE - if you only have one broadband provider, drop MyDogHsFleas a line and he will reveal where the other competitors are hiding in your area.
Seriously though, you are exceedingly lucky to even have two REAL choices of provider. sorry, satellite broadband is not a substitute for wired or even wireless broadband. the only people that think so are those trying desparately to convince people there is competition in the U.S. broadband market. |
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MyDogHsFleas
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| said by nasadude :said by MyDogHsFleas :...There's a TON of competition out there. I live in area code 20850; I eagerly await your list of multiple broadband providers in my area. You said:
quote:
there is no meaningful competition in the U.S. market and there won't be any for years to come.
So now "the US market" equals "zip code 20850" ?? Come on. Pick an argument and stick with it, OK??
quote:
sorry, satellite broadband is not a substitute for wired or even wireless broadband.
umm... yeah... it is. Maybe not a perfect one, but it is. I have a co-worker who lives in a remote area in Northern California on a ranch. He barely has POTS service (he has to maintain his own 1/4 mile of twisted pair). He is a work at home guy like me with heavy internet/VPN use, and uses satellite. It works OK for him. Maybe it's a little slower than if he had DSL or cable, but it works. |
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Karl Bode
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join:2000-03-02 | "it works" != "ton of competition" |
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA | reply to MyDogHsFleas
Who owns the wireless providers? |
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Pv8man999
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I like people like "Ahrenl"
Who will post a useful link of something to do about it for people like me that sit here and get pissed real easy and don't know what to do. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
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Re: Must be law
said by MyDogHsFleas :.. but it works. you know a potato and a few wires "work" to produce electricity - does that mean potato batteries are a substitute for duracell batteries? |
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ross
join:2000-08-16
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said by MyDogHsFleas :said by nasadude :said by MyDogHsFleas :...There's a TON of competition out there. I live in area code 20850; I eagerly await your list of multiple broadband providers in my area. You said: quote:
there is no meaningful competition in the U.S. market and there won't be any for years to come.
So now "the US market" equals "zip code 20850" ?? Come on. Pick an argument and stick with it, OK?? quote:
sorry, satellite broadband is not a substitute for wired or even wireless broadband.
umm... yeah... it is. Maybe not a perfect one, but it is. I have a co-worker who lives in a remote area in Northern California on a ranch. He barely has POTS service (he has to maintain his own 1/4 mile of twisted pair). He is a work at home guy like me with heavy internet/VPN use, and uses satellite. It works OK for him. Maybe it's a little slower than if he had DSL or cable, but it works. Yeah, and look how far we've come since the Telecom Act of 1996. Yep, competition all over the place, and getting cheaper by the minute/byte (which they'll soon be charging by). How much USF money do you think the telcos have collected over the intervening years? Enough to enable them to provide service to your friend's rural abode? Probably...
Where I live, a major metropolitan area, I only have one telco (AT&T), one cable company (Comcrap), to choose from. While there are plenty of resellers still for telco service, the prices are anything but competitive. Cable is an unattractive, even less reliable, and more expensive option. No teleco entity/reseller here offers speeds over 3Mbps/384Kbps without surcharging the hell out of you. Five miles away, there is Verizon Fios, but they can't compete in my location because AT&T is the monopoly telco here. The wiring in my neighborhood is the shits, and it is routine that my line pairs are stolen at least once a year by AT&T service techs in search of a reasonably quiet pair for a "new" install. The F2 cable run to my central office is defective, which AT&T has known for years, but AT&T won't replace it. Uverse is a substandard promise I won't hold my breath for, and probably won't be able to afford by the time it is implemented here, anyway.
Telecom competition is just a bad, and expensive, joke...but the subject under discussion was/is network neutrality, right? |
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lordofwhee
join:2007-10-21
Everett, WA
1 edit | reply to MyDogHsFleas
I wouldn't call sub-dial-up speeds (satellite) "useable". I'm also far away enough from apparently everyone to get DSL, so I have two choices: dial-up (can't use it for gaming, which is basically all I do on the internet, anyway), or Comcrap. Tell me, how the HELL is there competition there? |
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MyDogHsFleas
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2 edits | I wouldn't call sub-dial-up speeds (satellite) "useable". I'm also far away enough from apparently everyone to get DSL, so I have two choices: dial-up (can't use it for gaming, which is basically all I do on the internet, anyway), or Comcrap. Tell me, how the HELL is there competition there?
Satellite has high latencies which make it unsuitable for gaming. If gaming's your thing you need DSL or cable, for sure.
Of course, gaming is optional entertainment, you are not using your broadband connection to make a living like I am! So frankly I have little sympathy. Pay your Comcast bill and play your games, or don't.
My co-worker who has satellite signed up for the "professional package" which doesn't have the download limits. He reports that once it gets going, speeds are pretty good, certainly a lot better than the dialup he used to have.
And, hey, check out this Wednesday Evening Links here on our very own dslreports.com! "Satellite Broadband to serve 1.2 million homes by 2012". |
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MyDogHsFleas
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| reply to JakCrow
said by JakCrow :Who owns the wireless providers? You've got a good point there. AT&T and Verizon obviously overlap in the broadband and wireless business. Sprint and T-mobile do not. |
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lesopp
join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL | reply to MyDogHsFleas
VPN over satellite broadband is no better than over dial-up. |
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA | Heavy UDP traffic, like VPN, kills sat internet connections. |
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Karl Bode
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join:2000-03-02 | When you've got a 280MB monthly cap that, if broken, results in your connection being throttled back to 14kbps...everything kills satellite Internet connections. |
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