openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
 ·AT&T Southeast
| reply to SilverSurfer
Re: Where are the...
You only need to worry about alleged caps/restrictions if you want to abuse the system 24/7. There are plenty of users that will be ecstatic about upgraded throughput tiers that won't have any problems with caps/restrictions that Comcast places on their network. |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
Road Runner
PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
| quote:
You only need to worry about alleged caps/restrictions if you want to abuse the system 24/7
Technically Comcast's traffic shaping throttles upstream p2p traffic for all users regardless of consumption. |
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fuziwuzi
Not born yesterday
Premium
join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA
| reply to openbox9
said by openbox9  :You only need to worry about alleged caps/restrictions if you want to abuse the system 24/7. There are plenty of users that will be ecstatic about upgraded throughput tiers that won't have any problems with caps/restrictions that Comcast places on their network. How fast of a connection do you need if all you feel safe doing is sending an email to your grandma with a couple of pictures of the kids attached? Oops, don't attach too many pictures and heaven forbid you send a video clip, you might be accused of "abuse" and have your service terminated.
If having that awesome 50Mbps connection can't get you the stuff you want at awesome speed, but instead you're still limited to casual web browsing and sending/receiving a few emails, then what use is that 50Mbps connection when a 1Mbps connection would do that same thing with no noticeable difference? |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to Karl Bode
Ok. You only need to worry about caps and P2P restrictions if you want to abuse the system 24/7 and seed files via P2P. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to fuziwuzi
How about quickly handling Microsoft's patch Tuesday? How about purchasing all of those mp3/mp4 files from Amazon or iTunes? How about Apple's new HD aTV rental mechanism? How about downloading all of those hi-rez pictures and video clips from your grandchildrens' website? Anyway, you get my point. |
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
Premium
join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA | How are people supposed to download those hirez pix/vids of their grandkids if you cant upload these large files.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | Why can't you upload? |
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Thaler
Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| reply to openbox9
said by openbox9 :Ok. You only need to worry about caps and P2P restrictions if you want to abuse the system 24/7 and seed files via P2P. I wasn't aware Skype, OpenOffice, and Linux distros fell into the range of "ISP abuse". Thanks for clearing that up! |
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Thaler
Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| reply to openbox9
said by openbox9 :How about quickly handling Microsoft's patch Tuesday? How quick do you really need them? You only need a basic broadband connection to be set for "first day downloads". Wether or not you're running the first patches from "patch Tuesday" within the first 20 minutes of release means *nothing*.
said by openbox9 :How about purchasing all of those mp3/mp4 files from Amazon or iTunes? What, people on 1.5M connections can't use Amazon or iTunes?
said by openbox9 :How about Apple's new HD aTV rental mechanism? I'd imagine it streams well enough over slower "standard" broadband connections.
etc., etc. Again, your average "surfing" grannie isn't going to benefit didly squat from a massive pipe connection. It caters more to those who're going to use the internet for lots of large file transfers - the exact same users Comcast labels as "abusive" once they hit the invisible bandwidth cap. |
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knightmb
Everybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN
·AT&T DSL Service
| reply to Karl Bode
said by Karl Bode : quote:
You only need to worry about alleged caps/restrictions if you want to abuse the system 24/7
Technically Comcast's traffic shaping throttles upstream p2p traffic for all users regardless of consumption. Except for business customers I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I can turn lose my BT and keep a 24/7 max upload all week then one would assume either I'm the only person in my city with Comcast (unlikely) or they are only doing this to residential customers and not business customers. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to Thaler
Is it that easy for you to put words in my mouth? Where did I say that Skype, OpenOffice, or Linux were "ISP abuse"? |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to Thaler
said by Thaler :How quick do you really need them? Reading the posts in this forum, you'd think you need them as quick as possible. Isn't that one of the big arguments for having "fat pipes" into homes?said by Thaler :What, people on 1.5M connections can't use Amazon or iTunes? Of course they can. People with 1.5 Mbps connections can do almost anything they want on the 'net. See my previous point...besides, I'm not the one begging for 50 Mbps connections that I won't use.said by Thaler :I'd imagine it streams well enough over slower "standard" broadband connections. Most streams will work fine after a buffering period.said by Thaler :It caters more to those who're going to use the internet for lots of large file transfers - the exact same users Comcast labels as "abusive" once they hit the invisible bandwidth cap. Give me examples of routine, legitimate large file transfers that will be considered abusive. |
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Thaler
Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| said by openbox9 :Give me examples of routine, legitimate large file transfers that will be considered abusive. Music, Video, Patches, Software, files, distros, etc.
All those uses are legitimate, and the use/files will begin to add up in terms of GB/month. That's just the thing about bandwidth caps. Any user can it hit, and they can do so downloading legally OR illegaly - it doesn't discriminate for or against file legitimacy. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| You posted previously that a 1.5 Mbps is more than capable of downloading music, videos, patches, etc. You're playing both sides of the discussion. My point is that more throughput is useful regardless of caps and other restrictions. Normal users don't download/upload 24/7 and therefore more likely won't be affected, i.e. downloading legal music, video, software patches, Linux distros, etc. |
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fuziwuzi
Not born yesterday
Premium
join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA
| reply to openbox9
said by openbox9 :How about quickly handling Microsoft's patch Tuesday? How about purchasing all of those mp3/mp4 files from Amazon or iTunes? How about Apple's new HD aTV rental mechanism? How about downloading all of those hi-rez pictures and video clips from your grandchildrens' website? Anyway, you get my point. You miss the point. Download too much of Apple's HD content and you get hit with the "abuse" label and your account is terminated. Download too many mp3/mp4 files from Amazon or iTunes, you get terminated. And how do you UPLOAD those hi-rez pictures and video clips for grandma to download if your account gets terminated because you are labeled an abuser for using it to upload those pictures and video clips?
If Comcast can't deliver what they sell, then they shouldn't sell it. Don't sell a 50Mbps pipe that can only handle that speed for a brief millisecond before you throttle it down to dialup speed. |
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fuziwuzi
Not born yesterday
Premium
join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA
| reply to openbox9
said by openbox9 :You posted previously that a 1.5 Mbps is more than capable of downloading music, videos, patches, etc. You're playing both sides of the discussion. My point is that more throughput is useful regardless of caps and other restrictions. Normal users don't download/upload 24/7 and therefore more likely won't be affected, i.e. downloading legal music, video, software patches, Linux distros, etc. Comcast thanks you for drinking their kool-aid. |
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Thaler
Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| reply to openbox9
said by openbox9 :My point is that more throughput is useful regardless of caps and other restrictions. How so? Caps still remain the same. The faster your connection, the more downloads you can whizz through and reach caps quicker.
If anything, a simple 1.5 M connection is probably a good broadband speed to operate on, lest you accidentally bump into Comcast's invisi-caps. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to fuziwuzi
See my other post about not drinking kool-aid, despising American Idol, and being a Mac fan. Try thinking outside of your little box. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to Thaler
Why is this so difficult to understand? If I use my connection to download 20 iTunes songs, 20 Amazon MP3s, 4 Netflix movies, and upload 5 new videos and 50 new pics of my 1-year old to my website per month, in addition to normal e-mail checking and web surfing, I'd much rather use a 50/5 connection than a 10/1 connection assuming the same cost to me). I won't have any problems with caps and I'll complete my action quicker. I go back to my earlier comment that if you aren't abusing your connection 24/7, more throughput is good and your ISP shouldn't give you a problem.
And of course a simple 1.5 Mbps connection is a good broadband throughput for a vast majority of users. Now if the rest of the "I need fiber and a Gbps connection jacked directly into my head" accepted that, life would be pretty boring around the discussion threads on this site. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to fuziwuzi
I'm not missing any point. You're missing mine. You would need to download a significant number of Apple's HD videos and mp4 files to come close to receiving a warning from more ISPs. Considering those items cost $5 and $1 a piece, unless you have money to waste, I doubt you'll have to worry about that potential problem. The same thing goes for uploading pics for grandma. You're stretching to think that you'll be labelled an abuser for uploading personal pics and vids to your website. |
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