amigo_boy
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Tempe, AZ | Farmers launching hydrogen?
When will we see headlines about Google blowing things up (like Verizon)?
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| A hydrogen balloon igniting that high up would burn up so fast that it wouldn't be of any danger to people on the ground.
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| said by antwanp  :A hydrogen balloon igniting that high up would burn up so fast that it wouldn't be of any danger to people on the ground. -Antwan L. Except for the falling transceiver.   |
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| said by UglyDork :said by antwanp :A hydrogen balloon igniting that high up would burn up so fast that it wouldn't be of any danger to people on the ground. -Antwan L. Except for the falling transceiver. It parachutes down. Little to no danger.
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jc100
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dupe post. DELETE |
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jc100
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Amigo never ceases to amaze me. Hydrogen IS NOT explosive unless the atom is split. We have hydrogen fuel and cars. Trust me, they aren't atom bombs waiting to happen. Hydrogen itself is safe until modfied to split the atom. Hence, your question /statement is a but on the absurd side. Nothing that surprises me though. |
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| said by jc100 :Amigo never ceases to amaze me. Hydrogen IS NOT explosive unless the atom is split. We have hydrogen fuel and cars. Trust me, they aren't atom bombs waiting to happen. Hydrogen itself is safe until modfied to split the atom. Hence, your question /statement is a but on the absurd side. Nothing that surprises me though. »revver.com/video/129972/explodin···alloons/
»www.metacafe.com/watch/311189/hi···isaster/ |
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jester121
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Fireproof parachutes I hope? |
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amigo_boy
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said by antwanp :A hydrogen balloon igniting that high up would burn up so fast that it wouldn't be of any danger to people on the ground. I was thinking more about the farmer pre-release, or the ballon that eventually returns to the ground with at least some hydrogen (but not enough to overcome the weight of the baloon).
When I was 8 years old me and some friends created some hydrogen using two anodes in a glass of water. We created enough to inflate a small (toy) balloon a small amount. We went out in the school yard and stood in a circle flicking matches at it. All I remember is all of us standing there, stunned, spitting debris out of our mouths. 
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Raptor
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London, ON | reply to jc100
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen#Combustion
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Vertickle
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LOL |
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jc100
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This is not PURE HYDROGEN. I took physics. Maybe you'll find this link interesting and informative. Hydrogen MUST MIX with oxygen and have an ignition to burn. Otherwise, ITS NOT EXPLOSIVE. See explanation.
»www.physlink.com/Education/AskEx···e575.cfm |
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jc100
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I urge you to go back to school and learn a bit more before being a smartass. As I told the poster above, HYDROGEN IS NOT EXPLOSIVE WITHOUT TWO THINGS:
1) OXYGEN
2) IGNITION SOURCE
Pure hydrogen WITHOUT THOSE TWO ELEMENTS DOES NOT BURN. Hence, I urge you to learn a bit before you speak and pretend to be smart. Some of US PAID ATTENTION IN CLASS during our years in school. OTHERS DID NOT (YOU)
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1 edit | said by jc100 :I urge you to go back to school and learn a bit more before being a smarta$$. As I told the poster above, HYDROGEN IS NOT EXPLOSIVE WITHOUT TWO THINGS: 1) OXYGEN 2) IGNITION SOURCE I'll remember this the next time you go off against private gun ownership. ("Hydrogen doesn't kill people, people kill people.").
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james
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Stop waving your fancy high school edumacashun in our faces!
No, but seriously, you're getting pretty worked up for nothing. There obviously is a danger with even pure helium if the balloons are torn or drift somewhere they shouldn't.
Just because the hydrogen isn't mixed with oxygen at the moment, that ignores the fact that if the thin skin of the balloon tears there is an IMMEDIATE source of oxygen, and depending on where this tear occurrs, there may be an ignition source nearby.
Luckily the only real danger is to the farmers who are probably smoking while filling the "flyin internets robots" up. |
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MyDogHsFleas
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Austin, TX | reply to jc100
Yes hydrogen must be mixed with air/oxygen to be explosive. And yes it needs an ignition source. So technically it's a "flammable gas". |
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jc100
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Actually, the guy was being a jerk about it =) So I had to school him. As per the rip, it's unlikely All three elements would come together. Seriously, there'd have to be a tear in the balloon and a spark to ignite it once oxygen and hydrogen mixed. That's pretty unlikely. I guess if lightning struck it, that MIGHT be possible, but highly improbable. Anyhow, the risk to the farmer is minimal unless he or she is DUMB ENOUGH to be smoking while launching said balloons (as per your comment). In that case, yes, you might have Hindenburg and a toasty farmer pending a sizable leak was present and enough hydrogen and oxygen mixed. Once again, it would be HIGHLY UNLIKELY for such an event to occur. |
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Vertickle
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So which is it?
said by jc100 :HYDROGEN IS NOT EXPLOSIVE WITHOUT TWO THINGS: 1) OXYGEN 2) IGNITION SOURCE or
said by jc100 : Hydrogen IS NOT explosive unless the atom is split. I'm confused...  |
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jc100
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Where the heck does that apply here? Also, people do kill people. An inanimate object DOES NOT do anything without human or some other intervention. As with the case of hydrogen, as you OBVIOUSLY did not know. Off topic to the gun issue, people own guns. People use guns. Therefore, it doesn't matter if a gun in it's natural state doesn't kill. People are the ones who use them (as per their intent). Therefore people + guns do kill. Guns cannot kill on their own. Therefore, you justifiably regulate people on buying of guns, since the "guns themselves... IE inanimate object" are not the culprit. |
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jc100
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Ever heard of E= MC2 that was Einsteins formula for splitting the atom and making it explosive. Hence, the term splitting the atom or why the bomb in WW2 was a HYDROGEN BOMB.
As per the necessary tools to make this happen via nature:
The burning process in the case of oxygen and hydrogen is relatively simple. If you put together suitable volumes of hydrogen and oxygen and provide a spark to start the reaction, one oxygen atom will combine with two hydrogen atoms, and will release energy in the process. The energy gets released in the form of molecular kinetic energy, and since the motion is random, this is exactly what we call heat energy. The gases heat up, and as all expanding gases do, they expand. That fast expansion of hot gases is what we call "an explosion".
There you go. Maybe you should have read the article and YOU WOULD NOT BE CONFUSED.
P.S. Don't quit your day job. Stay in school Please. |
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