cowsgonemadd
join:2007-02-24
Ware Shoals, SC
| Can I get a RM map done?
I am so busy. RM turns out to be hard to understand quickly.
I would like a little help again with a RM map. I have a relative 4.58 miles away from the tower location I have. I was not able to use the tower I wanted to that was 70 feet tall as we had some family trouble
(I got cussed at badly for climbing the tower and was told I could not use it but I still could as he is not the only boss of the land regardless of what he thinks) and we might end up selling the land this summer as the farm may go down. Its best to get a spot picked out on permanent ground. I may have a 40ft tower lined up. Here is the coordinates for the 40 ft tower:
34*28'32.95"N 82*14'24.08"W
I would just like a map done to see my coverage range.
Here is the location I want it to make it.
34*28'01.64"N 82*09'37.32"W
He has no dsl so I wanted to try it with him. He is my uncle so the whole family thing would be nice as I dont have to charge him I just want to test out my "skills" if you know what I mean.
I was told to use a DLB2300 with a 12dB omni for now. So thats what you put into the RM I guess. Whatever the legal max is for power through 12dbi antenna.
Thanks a lot. |
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PersComp
Premium
join:2005-08-17
Cayce, SC
| Not looking good......It looks like it will need about 80' on the client end due to terrain. 
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Are these instructions or corrections??? |
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cowsgonemadd
join:2007-02-24
Ware Shoals, SC
| reply to cowsgonemadd
I hate to keep asking you for maps. I wish I knew how to use the program?? Radio mobile...
Would a larger tower on my end be better? Am I go to small? It looks like its going to be 400 bucks for a 3x3 concrete base regardless of tower height so why not go larger ha ha, right?
I see he is in the blue does that mean he would work or did you put the CPE at 80ft or are you saying that because of it would be a bad signal quality? Thats a very low area as its close to a lake(called a pond but its like 80+- acres?)
I just wonder what tower height would be good. Like is that coverage good for a 40ft tower? What if I tried a directional?
If I am going to put up a tower in my location do you suggest something like 80ft or so? They are not terrible expensive maybe 1000 bucks used. Its just that concrete is so expensive and if I put up a nice one at first I wont have to upgrade and when I need more room I can put another tower a few miles away and rebroadcast.
Thanks |
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cowsgonemadd
join:2007-02-24
Ware Shoals, SC | reply to cowsgonemadd
I see you put him at about 80ft....
Argh...
What do you suggest? |
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LLigetfa
join:2006-05-15
Fort Frances, ON
| It's simple geometry. The height of land is about two thirds away so to drop a foot at the CPE, you would need to increase 3 feet at the AP.
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Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and formal education positively fortifies it. -- Stephen Vizinczey |
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LLigetfa
join:2006-05-15
Fort Frances, ON
| reply to cowsgonemadd
Here is the same shot with landcover. I wouldn't bet on it working. |
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cowsgonemadd
join:2007-02-24
Ware Shoals, SC | reply to cowsgonemadd
Anyone know of a cheap or free tv tower at about 100ft? |
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Inssomniak
join:2005-04-06
Cayuga, ON
| Its easy to get enough free tv towers to make one that is 100 feet high, but I wouldnt climb it, even with all the guying it would take to make it stand up! Im afraid to climb 50 feet on brand new standalone towers customers put up for me!
heh. |
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cowsgonemadd
join:2007-02-24
Ware Shoals, SC | reply to cowsgonemadd
Okay then give me some suggestions. It looks like to me if I am serious about this I will have to break the bank to get even a short self sustaining tower. |
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EMC_guy
join:2007-10-13
Sharbot Lake, ON
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
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said by LLigetfa  :Here is the same shot with landcover. This landcover thing - somehow they checked and added the real tree heights? Is that data available for eastern Ontario? |
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LLigetfa
join:2006-05-15
Fort Frances, ON
| Not "Real" tree heights, only estimates based on colour. The one landcover file covers all of North America and perhaps more. One can change the heights for each of the colours to match your region.
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Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and formal education positively fortifies it. -- Stephen Vizinczey |
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Inssomniak
join:2005-04-06
Cayuga, ON
| reply to cowsgonemadd
said by cowsgonemadd :Okay then give me some suggestions. It looks like to me if I am serious about this I will have to break the bank to get even a short self sustaining tower. Is there nothing around you that is high? the tallest tower I installed for an AP was 41 feet+10 foot mast for a small repeater next to my father-in-law's house (free TV tower repainted silver!), everything else Ive used (silo, grain elevator, and tower) were already there. Unless I could serve 100 houses Id never build my own tower, people call me weekly donating their silos and high stuff to me, just so they can get free internet!. |
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cowsgonemadd
join:2007-02-24
Ware Shoals, SC
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I have a lets say 70ft tower on our farm land. But we have had arguments over it as my grandparents are worry worts and they said I cant use it as I might fall. It only has pegs on it and they say professional towers have pegs and safety harnesses. I was told by my dad I could use it regardless of what his dad says and if his dad has a problem then tough.
Now I could use it....But the farm might go under. We are not sure. Then if we sold the land and I had customers then I would have to get a big tower for sure and set everybody back up and hope I could get them all again easily.
That is my situation. So basically I should go as cheap as I can go for now and not go all out? I mean is paying 1500 for a tower too much after install fee's and concrete? I know I have at least another 250 bucks for the AP and antenna and such also.
Can someone show me how to use Radio mobile for my location? I need to know like a idea of my coverage range for a 50ft tower. I can get my hands on something like that for cheap and it wont require a lot to mount it safely.
If I were to go low budget the idea would be to get a 50ft tower for the first AP in my yard. Go a few miles away and get another 50ft tower and put up a rebroadcaster ap on it. Like send the signal VIA 5.8ghz like I have been told to it and then send it out again. |
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Inssomniak
join:2005-04-06
Cayuga, ON
| said by cowsgonemadd :That is my situation. So basically I should go as cheap as I can go for now and not go all out? I mean is paying 1500 for a tower too much after install fee's and concrete? I know I have at least another 250 bucks for the AP and antenna and such also. Can someone show me how to use Radio mobile for my location? I need to know like a idea of my coverage range for a 50ft tower. I can get my hands on something like that for cheap and it wont require a lot to mount it safely. If I were to go low budget the idea would be to get a 50ft tower for the first AP in my yard. Go a few miles away and get another 50ft tower and put up a rebroadcaster ap on it. Like send the signal VIA 5.8ghz like I have been told to it and then send it out again. I think you are going to have to increase your budget. I just got word a guy is installing a 100 foot tower, its running him close to 4 grand. Customer just installed a 50 foot tower for me for 1200 bux, but he dug his own hole for it. With 50 feet your range will suck unless you really have no trees anywhere and the tower is on a hill. Im not sure about your area but trees around here are average 60+ feet.
There is a FAQ here somewhere about starting your own WISP, and states you "cant start a WISP for $5000".. well., Its not entirely true, because I did it in less, but, I didnt have to put up any towers  .
You mentioned is $1500 too much for a tower? You didnt specify height or type of tower, yes $1500 is way too much if you put up a bracketed 50 foot TV tower, but it sounds more reasonable if the tower is a self supporting tower with proper concrete footing and excavating of the hole.? |
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cowsgonemadd
join:2007-02-24
Ware Shoals, SC
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I think I saw the tower on usedtowers.come or .net or something. Self standing proper tower.
Looks like I am back to the...."not quite ready to start a wisp yet" area....
Argh....
If I had some customers it would be great and worth it.
Advertising before coverage testing would probably be unwise. |
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Instinctz
join:2002-10-21
united state | You could always add a stipulation in the sale contract of the farm that the tower lease will remain in your name.
Highly doubtfull this would cause many issues with the buyers. |
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wizunwired
Premium
join:2008-04-08
Algoma, WI
| reply to cowsgonemadd
»www.bergey.com/Products/XL1.Tilt.IM.2.pdf
Take a look at that - I have always that if a guy was handy enough he could build one of those without much trouble. It's basically schedule 40 pipe - I have seen them support little windmills 10' diameter at 80'. Supposedly you pay as much new as you would for a standard tower, but again with the tools and your own land you could put one of these up for the cost of pipe and guy wire. The other thing would be you would have to drop it to work but again not the worst.
Jason |
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