pnh102
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Re: Point Has Merit
said by PhoenixDown  :they are being asked to provide the exact locations where they can, or can not, provide residential broadband services. People can verify broadband availability on their own. They do not need the government to do it for them.
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PhoenixDown
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| said by pnh102 :People can verify broadband availability on their own. They do not need the government to do it for them. The people are stating that broadband IS NOT available and want to build out municipal networks.
The cable and telephone companies are fighting these initiatives claiming that broadband IS available.
The point of this initiative is to determine exactly where broadband is or is not available so a comprehensive national deployment strategy can be put into place. |
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woody7
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I don't see why there can't be a map of availability for the consumer.....and sometimes the private sector needs a prod from the government and in this day and age, that is what a lot of home buyers use in their criteria for buying a new home.. I believe the cablecos are reluctant in a large part in that they don't want their availability to be shown for a lot of reasons. It's that they don't want to spend the money in some areas unless they are threatened by some form of competition. Name some areas where there are more than one cable company that offers competing service, or by that matter a phone company..I live in a city where the phone is divided between verizon, and ATT, the ONLY cable company is RR.
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pnh102
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said by PhoenixDown :The people are stating that broadband IS NOT available and want to build out municipal networks. Well if these people know that they cannot get broadband, then what is the point of the map telling them what they already know? What is stopping them from acting as private citizens to build their own network?
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pnh102
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said by woody7 :I don't see why there can't be a map of availability for the consumer... That isn't a good argument for forcing ISPs to make them available. As I've stated before, consumers can already find out if a given address is serviceable.
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woody7
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| I think that it is valid,as consumers find on some sites they have to sift through piles of crap to get the answer they need, and it is ambiguous at best. I bet if some private party did just that, the uproar from the cablecos and even telcos would be deafening. The only conceivable reason that they don't want this info easily available is for the reasons that others have stated.It wouldn't paint them in a good light. Peace
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thevorpal
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Alexandria, VA
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Because the data is already there and available to be parsed. It would cost them peanuts to provide this information so that local governments could actually decide what services are being provided to their community.
Or should the governments have every person sit down, enter in their address to these websites, let it calculate, and then enter it into their own database.
Its a waste of freaking money to have the information sitting there unused and intentionally hidden. |
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pnh102
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| said by thevorpal :Or should the governments have every person sit down, enter in their address to these websites, let it calculate, and then enter it into their own database. Here's a better idea.
Let the people who really care about this information sit at their keyboards and man the phones and go through every address to find it.
If they find problems or discrepancies with the information, they can make every attempt to resolve it themselves.
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pnh102
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said by woody7 :The only conceivable reason that they don't want this info easily available is for the reasons that others have stated. But if the information was never meant to be available why would ISPs publish websites where you can perform address lookups for various services offered?
We could look at this from the phone angle as well... let's say I am moving. I could call whatever cable company services the area to which I plan to move and ask "Do you offer High Speed Internet at my address?" If the cable companies were keeping deployment information a secret, then they would tell me that they could not help me. Of course, that scenario is ludicrous, and it shows that the information is already available.
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Skippy25
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| Your lack of any concern for anything beyond the protection of providers is quite funny.
Since they have all this information available, why can't they simply provide it as public information so that others can easily access it?
You can't claim it is for "competitive" reasons as any "competitor" already knows where the other serves.
Besides, I would say it is public information for 2 reasons: 1.) They are a publicly traded company 2.) They are using public right aways. |
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thevorpal
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Alexandria, VA | reply to pnh102
No, that's just really stupid. |
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asdfdfdfdfdf
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The point isn't to have this data so that individuals can determine if they can get service while not having to go through the trouble of checking for themselves, i.e. having the government find out for them.
It is to determine the country's actual state of communications deployment so that intelligent public policy can be developed. |
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right, so that general purpose public tool has the entire database of where (for DSL for instance) the CO is, exactly how many wire feet are between it and the CO, the condition of hte lines between the requestor and the nearest CO wiht a DSLAM, and all the other technical data required to make a good solid "yes" or "no" as to the availablity of DSL?
..if you think it does, then you're wrong, very, very, very, wrong.
all that does is let you know if it's likely to work. all the rest of the technical data is not available until the provisioning department of the (I/C)LEC of your choice for DSL goes to have whomever is providing the DSL service start to provision the circuit. and even then, it's still posssible that even though the provisioning department gets the circuit provisioned, you can still end up with the lines between A and B not being able to support the speeds requested (and theoretically possible for the DSL circuit) and the whole thing gets deemed TNF.
yep.
people can get ALL that info RIGHT from the public checks, which most of (memory serving) say somewhere on them that just because the site says it's available at your location, it's not 100% for certain that you can get the service you're asking about. |
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said by pnh102 :said by PhoenixDown :The people are stating that broadband IS NOT available and want to build out municipal networks. Well if these people know that they cannot get broadband, then what is the point of the map telling them what they already know? What is stopping them from acting as private citizens to build their own network? Well most private citizens are middle class and dont have the money the telecos have. the Telecos take all this money and never spend it which ends up lining the pockets of the rich private citzens rather than expanding their networks. |
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