Marcer
join:2007-07-08
Hamilton, ON
 ·Mountain Cable
| reply to freakyfan
Re: [Windsor] cogecos lack of hd channels
I don't know how you are only recieving 8 HD channels, It's possible your Box is not correctly set up.
I count:
21 HD channels in the Basic Tier
2 for the HD Premium Tier
2 for HD TMN/MPIX
2 for HD Pay Per View
4 for HD Sports (3 Super Sports Pack channels and 1 Leafs TV HD)
Totaling 31 possible HD Channels (depending on what you subscribe to)
(All these are available in Windsor) |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
| said by Marcer  :Totaling 31 possible HD Channels (depending on what you subscribe to) (All these are available in Windsor) In Niagara we get 12 HD channels, total. This includes the networks, the premiums, the movie channels, etc. It's pathetic, and something Cogeco should be ashamed of. 31 is also pathetic compared to what Rogers offers in all their markets.
Simply put, Cogeco is a decent internet provider, but they are a horrendous television provider that is 1-2 years behind everyone else.
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vuarra
join:2005-10-11
Hamilton, ON | ^ What he said. |
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DrDog
VIP
join:2006-07-28
Fort Erie, ON
| reply to Marcer
Unbuilt areas Marcer
Dont have the bandwidth needed for the 31 channels
My box is correctly set up and I get like 12 channels including SRCHD. which I dont tune to very often, as I dont speak much french
But I like nothing but trailers, I dont really care for the new show hosted by some bald dude, but the trailer alone is a great show |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
| said by DrDog :Unbuilt areas Marcer And, again, this is typical of Cogeco. It took them years upon years to upgrade St. Catharines to two-way cable to where we didn't get cable modem service in this city until 2000. Same deal with HD, although the plant itself seems to have been "built" for the last few years as shown by the few channels in the 100+ range. I highly doubt it takes 4+ years of tweaking a plant after upgrading to 750MHz, of which was done years ago.
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DrDog
VIP
join:2006-07-28
Fort Erie, ON
| I am sure it does not either
But hey, what about all the technology that gets developed and never really takes off? Should Cogeco has invested in that? Effective planning takes a long time, you plan for the future.
So all the money is spent to get the plant to 1 Ghz.
Then a new tech called switched digital video comes out, and you realize that you can use that instead of upgrading the plant to probably one of the most expensive to maintain plants, not to mention the extremely cost prohibitive upgrade.
4 years ago, the company was not making much of a profit, and there was neither the penetration or the RGU's to say hey, lets spend alot of money!
Dude, if Cogeco is such a bad company why do you bother?
Do you even have HD services with us? |
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nitzguy
Premium
join:2002-07-11
Sudbury, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·Bell Sympatico
| said by DrDog :I am sure it does not either But hey, what about all the technology that gets developed and never really takes off? Should Cogeco has invested in that? Effective planning takes a long time, you plan for the future. So all the money is spent to get the plant to 1 Ghz. Then a new tech called switched digital video comes out, and you realize that you can use that instead of upgrading the plant to probably one of the most expensive to maintain plants, not to mention the extremely cost prohibitive upgrade. 4 years ago, the company was not making much of a profit, and there was neither the penetration or the RGU's to say hey, lets spend alot of money! Dude, if Cogeco is such a bad company why do you bother? Do you even have HD services with us? I got a nice healthy bonus in 2004  . (that was 4 years ago...4 yrs ago technically for Cogeco they're in FY09!!) so that'd make it 2005. But that was a long time ago for moi.
It all comes down to market penetration...everyone knows that...since Niagara has "Dish Fever" ...and has since the early 90s with the "pizza sized" dishes...everyone slipped from cable into the wild world of DirecTV/DISH...
So why would Cogeco spend the money even now when its not worth it? Ask people up in Port Carling/Utterson with their 20 channels...lol...HD is a far ways off for them...actually it'll probably never happen...
So, while it sucks...I understand Cogeco's position on it. They're in it to make money...so why spend money as DrDog has said on rebuilding to 1Ghz and do all that stuff, when all they really need to do is PUSH those DCT700s OUT THE DOOR  ...drop the tiers...have those available on the boxes...save OODLES of bandwidth and saving truckrolls on removing traps ...and get your extra HD there.
Chances are...that will be the solution to the bandwidth woes in all those areas they haven't upgraded yet. Drop the tiers from Analogue...push out some DCT700s, maybe build it into the price, have people who want the HD/PVR to pay their extra...and poof...240Mhz back in the stable and more than enough to push out another 50-100HD channels and LOTS of SD Digital channels.
People will get angry and nutty because they can't get all their channels on the ol' regular cable TV...but if people could see the forest through the trees, they'd see its the better solution IMHO.
That's ultimately the solution to your problems down there..or...get Dish . |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
| said by nitzguy :push out some DCT700s Niagara doesn't even have the analog channels remapped onto digital, so DCT700s are useless here. |
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DrDog
VIP
join:2006-07-28
Fort Erie, ON | incorrect
There are 700s starting to show up here in Niagara |
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Chainzz
Aka Snippy
join:2004-07-26
Amherstburg, ON | reply to Snickerdo
And analog will be gone in a few years tops....your point? |
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nitzguy
Premium
join:2002-07-11
Sudbury, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to Snickerdo
said by Snickerdo :said by nitzguy :push out some DCT700s Niagara doesn't even have the analog channels remapped onto digital, so DCT700s are useless here. It'd take probably oh...I dunno...6, maybe the capacity of 8 analogue channels to duplicate a 70 channel lineup in any area. That's what I meant, dump the tiers...you gain back those 30 channels, duplicate them on digital...and you're left even at that point with lets say 24 6Mhz channels...2 HD channels per frequency...you have 48...even as a worst case scenario.
But again, does Cogeco have the stomach for it? They have deep pockets now...the question is do they upset the apple cart...or use the Deep Pockets to buy more cable systems out?
MrShag: Its just not possible to do what you are suggesting. Since those without HD boxes wouldn't be able to watch, the technology just doesn't allow for what you are looking for unfortunately.
Same reason why Non-HD boxes can see the HD channels in the lineup, but obviously cannot see (can sometimes hear) them . |
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urbanriot
join:2004-10-18
Ridgeway, ON
·Cogeco Cable
| reply to Chainzz
said by Chainzz :And analog will be gone in a few years tops....your point? I believe he's referring to the actual feeds... not the method of delivery. |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
| reply to DrDog
said by DrDog :There are 700s starting to show up here in Niagara I thought I saw 2 through 80 being digital on my aunt's box when she lived in the west end of St. Catharines, but it may have just been the way the picture was being displayed by the box, and I certainly have not seen anyone in St. Catharines or the Falls since then with the analogs duplicated in digital. Good to hear that it's happening, though.
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Chainzz
Aka Snippy
join:2004-07-26
Amherstburg, ON | My bad, however back to lunch and doing some reading... |
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Chainzz
Aka Snippy
join:2004-07-26
Amherstburg, ON | Yea the Windsor area has 2-80 digital mapping and 900-980 analog mapping for the dct's other than the 700's, no analog tuner in those. |
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hdtvguy
So Much For Subtlety
Premium
join:2003-11-12
St Catharines, ON
| reply to Snickerdo
said by Snickerdo :said by Marcer :Totaling 31 possible HD Channels (depending on what you subscribe to) (All these are available in Windsor) In Niagara we get 12 HD channels, total. This includes the networks, the premiums, the movie channels, etc. It's pathetic, and something Cogeco should be ashamed of. 31 is also pathetic compared to what Rogers offers in all their markets. Simply put, Cogeco is a decent internet provider, but they are a horrendous television provider that is 1-2 years behind everyone else. And you forgot the those so important WestCoast HD channels so I have a backup to record the programs that my box froze on me for recordings in the 200's and 700's. At last count 10 recorded programs with frozen video in just the last two weeks. The Cogeco tech didn't find anything wrong with the box and had no idea why all the freezes occur during commercials and not during program content. I would have blamed this on my poor internet performance( I pray they haven't done the node split yet!!) but my understanding is the TV signal is a different carrier than my internet.
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
| said by hdtvguy :And you forgot the those so important WestCoast HD channels so I have a backup to record the programs that my box froze on me for recordings in the 200's and 700's. At last count 10 recorded programs with frozen video in just the last two weeks. The Cogeco tech didn't find anything wrong with the box and had no idea why all the freezes occur during commercials and not during program content. I would have blamed this on my poor internet performance( I pray they haven't done the node split yet!!) but my understanding is the TV signal is a different carrier than my internet. You get timeshifted HD? My grandfather on Geneva Street most certainly does NOT get anything but the 12 I just mentioned.
Then again, St. Catharines is a bit of a hybrid right now. Some have digital duplication and more HD channels than others.
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hdtvguy
So Much For Subtlety
Premium
join:2003-11-12
St Catharines, ON
| said by Snickerdo :You get timeshifted HD? No, I just meant to say how valuable those WOULD be to those of us who are having problems with dropped recordings.
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
| said by hdtvguy :No, I just meant to say how valuable those WOULD be to those of us who are having problems with dropped recordings. Hah, that makes a lot more sense. St. Catharines isn't exactly on the cutting edge when it comes to digital cable.
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