cmarin
join:2004-01-13
Boynton Beach, FL
| reply to Underplay
Re: Excellent
said by Underplay  :This should help us fight back against the ISP's. This is turning into a real dirty game of chess. Insurgents using software instead of guns, fighting for our rights. hmmm... did they pass a new Ammendment while I was taking a dump? Last time I checked, broadband isn't a "right"... neither is stealing music and movies over P2P. Let's face it, a great deal of the piracy happens over P2P, no matter what other "legit" uses there are, this is the primary vehicle for theft. If Comcast resets the connection of some punk abuser thief so the rest of us can enjoy our speedy connections, so be it. I'm no Comcast fanboy, since my cable company was Adelphia for many years and only recently Comcast due to the bankruptcy settlement... but I have to say things have only improved since they've taken over.
I pay less now than I did then, have dozens more TV channels, surf at twice the speed I had before, and it is generally more reliable than Adelphia ever was. |
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WrzWrz
join:2002-08-23
Fort Thomas, KY
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March 26th, @11:40AM
| Please cite a case where copyright infringement was ruled as being theft in a U.S. court of law. Provide a case number if possible. Thank you. |
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
| reply to cmarin
said by cmarin : Let's face it, a great deal of the piracy happens over P2P, no matter what other "legit" uses there are, this is the primary vehicle for theft. Let's face it. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. |
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Underplay
join:2003-10-19
Tacoma, WA
| reply to cmarin
said by cmarin :said by Underplay :This should help us fight back against the ISP's. This is turning into a real dirty game of chess. Insurgents using software instead of guns, fighting for our rights. hmmm... did they pass a new Ammendment while I was taking a dump? Last time I checked, broadband isn't a "right"... neither is stealing music and movies over P2P. Let's face it, a great deal of the piracy happens over P2P, no matter what other "legit" uses there are, this is the primary vehicle for theft. If Comcast resets the connection of some punk abuser thief so the rest of us can enjoy our speedy connections, so be it. I'm no Comcast fanboy, since my cable company was Adelphia for many years and only recently Comcast due to the bankruptcy settlement... but I have to say things have only improved since they've taken over. I pay less now than I did then, have dozens more TV channels, surf at twice the speed I had before, and it is generally more reliable than Adelphia ever was. Maybe you haven't heard the term, "get what you pay for". Simply put, we are all paying for our connection at the advertised speeds, and that is what we should be getting.
Maybe you are not familiar with azures fuze, its a bittorrent client with a built in media library, that lets users share videos, using there own bandwidth. It's actually pretty revolutionary.
You are trying to say that if i were to upload my own LEGAL video to this network, then my paid connection should be throttled just because it uses the bit torrent protocol, and SOME people use this protocol for piracy.
Maybe you have it shoveled into your head that Bittorrent and P2P is the evil devil, but you seriously need to rethink your opinion. Have you ever heard of rapidshare before? or how about FTP. These services can and ARE being used for illegal purposes just as commonly as bittorrent is. So why aren't the ISP's throttling these services?
Comcast is throttling bittorrent and uploading, NOT for piracy, NOT for you. But for themselves. Never before has the upstream been used for such a purpose and used so commonly, and its killing there network. So they are stopping all of us from using what we have paid for. So they can make some more bucks by not upgrading there infrastructure and forming to the wants of the people. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
 ·Comcast
| reply to cmarin
said by cmarin :... Last time I checked, broadband isn't a "right"... neither is stealing music and movies over P2P. Let's face it, a great deal of the piracy happens over P2P, no matter what other "legit" uses there are, this is the primary vehicle for theft. If Comcast resets the connection of some punk abuser thief so the rest of us can enjoy our speedy connections, so be it... Wow. I haven't seen that many RIAA/MPAA talking points in one paragraph in quite a while.
are these so ingrained that you know them by heart, or did you have to refresh your memory from the RIAA web page? |
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evilghost
Premium
join:2003-11-22
Springville, AL
 ·Windstream
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March 26th, @01:05PM
| reply to cmarin
I'm with you on this one cmarin. I find it hard to believe that so many of these people screaming out in agony of QoS and traffic shaping of P2P technology are downloading Linux ISO's and OpenOffice ISOs.
I'm not going to argue the semantics of copyright infringement versus theft. What I will say is people who are screaming so loudly, what legal content are you downloading? What infringing content are you downloading?
Throttle/RST the pirate and give me back my latency and aggregate bandwidth. I've little tolerance for someone who saturates the network with P2P-powered infringement. |
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Skeedatl
Ah, push it - push it real good
Premium
join:2007-12-26
The Cloud
·Cox HSI
·MegaPath
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March 26th, @01:31PM
| reply to WrzWrz
»www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrim···8red.htm
The No Electronic THEFT Act.
The copyright infringement itself is the crime, a court doesn't have to rule it as theft. |
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TIGERON
join:2008-03-11
Pacifica, CA | reply to Underplay
THANK YOU!!! Finally there is somebody that has their head on the right way. |
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bentman78
Bentley
join:2004-04-16
Arlington, VA | reply to nasadude
as opposed to talking points allocating stealing and copyright infringement being justified because you are "getting what you paid for"? |
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Skeedatl
Ah, push it - push it real good
Premium
join:2007-12-26
The Cloud
·Cox HSI
·MegaPath
·Verizon FIOS
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March 26th, @01:43PM
| reply to TIGERON
The traffic shaping has nothing to do with torrents or piracy.
It's about normalizing traffic shaping. The bigger picture is ISPs double dipping, charging for access to subscribers, enforced by traffic shaping content providers (particularly VOD competitors like iTunes rentals, Amazon unbox, Netflix VOD etc) into the ground who don't pay the bounty.
It's just easy for Comcast to start normalizing traffic shaping by crying piracy and upstream saturation. If they were actually interested in controlling bit torrent traffic, they could easily do that by enforcing "reasonable" upload caps. The upload caps would stop the 24/7 seeding that is saturating the upstream channels.
The next step for Comcast is to traffic shape streaming video, VOIP and other content competitors. |
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dadkins
Land of Confusion
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
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March 26th, @02:13PM
| I have Comcast's Blast service.
That's 16mbps/2mbps.
2mbps Upload(2.2mbps actual)
So, if I use VUZE to download MariposaHD(LEGAL), there is no way I can *give back* at least 1:1 because of the "traffic shaping" to save Comcast's poor network?
Uhm... what exactly is it that I am paying for again? 
Ya know, I can blast away all day and night slamming DVDs and even Blu-ray Discs to a friend or friends and that is going across the same freakin connection(@ 2.2mbps)... but no shaping! 
This is horseshit. No other way to classify it - straight horseshit! 
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Think outside the Fox... Opera |
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Skeedatl
Ah, push it - push it real good
Premium
join:2007-12-26
The Cloud
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March 26th, @02:17PM
| And your point is, sorry I'm missing it. |
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dadkins
Land of Confusion
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| said by Skeedatl :And your point is? Downloading/sharing/uploading LEGAL items via BT protocol are getting hosed because of a blanket "Network Management" claim, but that same network can/will/is getting saturated via other means and this is ok and gets a free pass.
Horseshit!
I could send you a 4-25-50GB file right this second and max the crap out of my upload - for a while.
No BS Sandvine would be involved - would it?
Screw protocol... same network, same max speed.
Does this make sense?
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Skeedatl
Ah, push it - push it real good
Premium
join:2007-12-26
The Cloud | Yep. |
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TheGhost
Premium
join:2003-01-03
Lake Forest, IL
clubs:
| reply to nasadude
said by nasadude :said by cmarin :... Last time I checked, broadband isn't a "right"... neither is stealing music and movies over P2P. Let's face it, a great deal of the piracy happens over P2P, no matter what other "legit" uses there are, this is the primary vehicle for theft. If Comcast resets the connection of some punk abuser thief so the rest of us can enjoy our speedy connections, so be it... Wow. I haven't seen that many RIAA/MPAA talking points in one paragraph in quite a while. are these so ingrained that you know them by heart, or did you have to refresh your memory from the RIAA web page? Users here have brought up LEGAL content that is getting hosed (VUZE). |
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FiL
Premium
join:2005-08-16
Silver Spring, MD
| reply to evilghost
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
Where you want me to start? Oh, I know... 
I'm musician slash producer. I like to be up to date with the lastest audio hardware and software. I download huge instructional videos, sometimes done on home cameras, sometimes done in video studios, and learn how to setup hardware, patch software... hell, a friend of mine made a 2 hour instructional piano video JUST FOR ME to DL via bitorrent becuase 7 to 8 of my other buddies online helped the motherfucker make it and helped the motherfucker upload, to who? To me... lol. Now if this isn't a legal use for BT, then I truly DON'T know how to create a drum kit in less then a minute.... shit. |
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Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
Premium
join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX
·AT&T U-Verse
·RoadRunner Cable
·AT&T Yahoo
| reply to TheGhost
More than just Vuze, or Linux ISOs. PBS is using torrents
to distribute some of its content, and so is CBC (Canadian
Broadcast Corporation).
Then there's paid for BT content like at the official site.
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"The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot)
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lordofwhee
join:2007-10-21
Everett, WA
| reply to evilghost
What happens when ALL connections are throttled? What happens when, no matter what you're doing, you are allotted only so many connections to the outside world?
And, once again, the talking point of 'all/most P2P is piracy' is brought up. Even if it was 100% pirated content, that gives nobody the right to effectively block half a protocol. If the content nazis want to go sue a twelve-year-old over it, that's their choice, not the ISP's. |
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ditka_b
Premium
join:2001-10-05
Barrington, IL | reply to Underplay
Bull lol |
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mach_six
join:2002-05-09
Nutley, NJ | reply to cmarin
I can't imagine people who defend these companies actually notices slow internet. It's apparent the provider is the issue. Always easier to put blame on something else rather than fixing the problem. |
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