R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| Update on Throttling: Part 2... Ok.... now back in town from Toronto. Had a chance to discuss some of the issues at hand with a variety of organizations and ISPs today.
We'll be meeting with a Regulatory lawyer in the AM to start discussions while we wait for the officially documented version of Bell's position. Once we have this, we'll then be able to figure out if we move forward as a coherent group on this topic or not. The biggest thing right now is to figure out all the needed angles to make sure this all plays out favourably for everyone.
More to come soon...
Rocky
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Ares45
Premium
join:2007-11-14
Toronto, ON | Re: Update on Throttling: Part 2... Thanks for the update, Rocky! It's much appreciated. | |
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PlatooN
join:2007-02-13
Kitchener, ON | once bell give you that written position, will it be made public? | |
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invictive
join:2001-11-14
Saanichton, BC | Thanks for keeping us updated Rocky.
I am glad to hear you guys are going to be taking a stand against Bell, this throttling is ridiculous.
If you need any help, don't hesitate to turn to your custormers, we are a loyal crowd! | |
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HiVolt
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join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
clubs: | Thanks for the update, Rocky.
As always, you have my full support.
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PlatooN
join:2007-02-13
Kitchener, ON
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| Re: Update on Throttling: Part 2... said by HiVolt  :Thanks for the update, Rocky. As always, you have my full support. As Volt said, and I believe it goes without saying, WE'RE WITH YOU ROCKY! THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE US AS CLIENTS | |
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Steve Jobs
American living in Canada
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join:2002-06-23
Scarborough, ON | Re: Update on Throttling: Part 2... START THE LEGAL DEFENSE FUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | Re: Update on Throttling: Part 2... Thanks for the support gang... We'll do our best to figure something out here!
More to come soon enough!
Rocky
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jfmezei
Premium
join:2007-01-03
Beaconsfield, QC
·ELECTRONICBOX
| Re: Update on Throttling: Part 2... Mr Rocky,
I don't want to pry, but could you give any indication on whether the contracts ISPs sign with Bell are mere implementatiobns of the published tariffs with legalese surrounding them and terms such as contract cancellation issues, or is are there additional clauses above and beyond 5410 (that would discuss "Fair Use" for instance.)
In the type of meetinsg you had today, do ISPs drop trousers and compare their Bell contract to see if they all have roughly the same items ?
If the contracts Bell makes you sign have clauses that go against the spirit of the tariffs, this definitely has some traction with CRTC AND industry Canada.
Knowing whether the contracts go beyond the tariffs or whether Bell is just interpreting the Tariffs the way it wants would influence individual's structure of any involvement with Industry Canada and/or CRTC. | |
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join:2003-09-01
Canada | Re: Update on Throttling: Part 2... Rocky, if there is a proceeding of some kind, if available as a remedy you should seek an injunction to prevent Bell from throttling Teksavvy pending resolution of the issue. | |
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Paulius
join:2008-01-21
Lasalle, QC
| Rocky,
You are an inspiration for all of us.
I wish you luck on this uphill battle versus the gigantic Bell corporation. I truly think that if the small ISPs get their brains together, something CAN be accomplished.
Let's hope we get something rolling soon. | |
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AnonMan
@teksavvy.com | I can't thank you enough. Good luck. | |
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qweloo
join:2007-10-04
h3p 2c4
·Bell Sympatico
| Maybe TSI may want to avoid exposing any specifics re legal strategies/positions/facts/feelings/intentions that may help Bell.
Lets not forget any of the Bell croonies can come here and read the ISP intentions/positions if we are not careful.
That kind of advance knowledge can be quite detrimental to a case depending on what is leaked.
It goes without saying that TSI and all the 3rd party ISP fighting against this have all my support. | |
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InvalidError
join:2008-02-03
·TekSavvy Solutions..
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| said by R0CKY :The biggest thing right now is to figure out all the needed angles to make sure this all plays out favourably for everyone. Including Bell?
Since it may be years before Bell is forced to remove throttling for good, TSI&al. should start with requesting an injunction while the legality of throttling (CRTC Tariffs VS actual contracts), its observed effects on the customer's perceived QoS, its impact on the user base such customers leaving or threatening to, etc. are being assessed.
It would be nice if Bell got reprimanded with a fine large enough to clearly spell out "don't do that again" accompanied by a tariff and standards freeze to prevent them from making up their losses with price hikes or service degradation elsewhere. | |
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join:2004-12-06
Nepean, ON
| Re: Update on Throttling: Part 2... said by InvalidError :Including Bell? Yep. The ultimate solution has to be beneficial to all parties involved. And like it or not, Bell is an involved party. It's their lines, their DSLAMs and their ATM network that backhauls the data to our friends at TSI. They have every right to be compensated fairly for that.
The problem is that they're the only game in town. So, when they make a boneheaded move like like this because they haven't invested enough in their own infrastructure, well, their customers (the 3rd party ISPs, that is) don't really have the choice to take their dollars elsewhere.
But ultimately, yes, this needs to play out favourably for Bell too...They can have their slice of the cake. | |
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join:2008-02-03
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| Re: Update on Throttling: Part 2... said by jonlor :said by InvalidError :Including Bell? Yep. The ultimate solution has to be beneficial to all parties involved. And like it or not, Bell is an involved party. Monopoly + unfair business practices = potential antitrust lawsuit. Since when are antitrust rulings meant to be mutually beneficial?
It would be nice to see Bell smacked with a $500M fine, a permanent injunction barring them from any further throttling on the wholesale side and another injunction barring them from raising their rates beyond inflation or cutting corners to recover their legal expenses for several years to come. | |
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join:2003-09-01
Canada
1 edit | Re: Update on Throttling: Part 2... said by InvalidError :said by jonlor :said by InvalidError :Including Bell? Yep. The ultimate solution has to be beneficial to all parties involved. And like it or not, Bell is an involved party. Monopoly + unfair business practices = potential antitrust lawsuit. Since when are antitrust rulings meant to be mutually beneficial? It would be nice to see Bell smacked with a $500M fine, a permanent injunction barring them from any further throttling on the wholesale side and another injunction barring them from raising their rates beyond inflation or cutting corners to recover their legal expenses for several years to come. Oh c'mon now. All corporations are in business to make money, and as much as they can. You can't fault a corporation for that. Hey, what if we cap all your future earnings to what you make today?
I'm against Bell on the throttling, but not against corporations making money. | |
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join:2008-02-03
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| Re: Update on Throttling: Part 2... said by thm655321 :Oh c'mon now. All corporations are in business to make money, and as much as they can. You can't fault a corporation for that. Hey, what if we cap all your future earnings to what you make today? Bell is engaging in anticompetitive behavior and there are laws to protect people and business from that.
And yes, laws are already capping the revenue I can get from racketeering, extortion, fraud and other activities... just like there are laws meant to prevent monopolies from abusing their position.
Microsoft was doing price gouging in the EU and got heavily fined for it. Microsoft defied the EU's interoperability ruling and they got heavily fined for it. Now, M$ is thinking twice before ignoring and appealing further decisions because so far, fines and penalties have only increased.
There are limits to how much monopolies can help themselves to other's pockets and interfere with other businesses' business. Bell needs to be reminded of that and a large fine with a few injunctions would go a long way towards making sure they will not forget the lesson any time soon. | |
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Kareeser
hm?
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join:2006-07-18
Hamilton, ON | Mm, "uphill battle" reminded me of Vimy Ridge... another Canadian (at least, in our Canadian-spun history textbooks) victory  | |
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inferno_gn
Premium
join:2007-02-26
Verdun, QC
| Hi there,
It's wawr! *lol* That's what I used to say. 
inferno_gn
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The Flash
You don't win friends with salad
Premium
join:2002-10-17
Toronto, ON | I wonder which of these 3rd party ISPs are the ones that care. | |
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KPaul
join:2007-02-08 | So Rocky, when you want, charge my account towards the legal defense | |
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Laidback
join:2001-09-30
Woodstock, ON | Rocky,
Although I am not a TekSavvy client, where do you want me to send my contribution?
I don't think my ISP is currently concerned about this as I have received no response from them. That would be enough for me to change over. | |
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RuralOtt
join:2004-12-07
K2G | Good luck, Rocky. | |
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Trisomy21
join:2006-04-27
Kingston, ON | Thanks Rocky! lol love the article on Theregister.com
"Rocky VII: The Throttling" haha
I'll be convincing everyone to switch over, regardless, like I always have been. | |
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spooley
join:2007-10-03
Brantford, ON | Go Rocky! Been with TS for 2 weeks and I am loving it. | |
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Stewy
Premium
join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON | Re: Update on Throttling: Part 2... WoW I'm just beside myself in reading all this.
It's as if Bell can't compete fairly so they hit below the belt and (try) to punish you by implementing unfair business practices.
Unreal but this cannot be permitted to stand. | |
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