said by fatness :

Guspaz, I have a question: how is that known?

said by Guspaz :

Problem is that Bell does not "Collect, use, or disclose" any private data. At least, nothing that the government considers private information.

said by Comment :

It would be annoying, but all Bell would send you (if anything) would be a form letter saying they do not collect any PERSONAL information nor "read your raw data". (They only look at the formatting of it.)

In contrast, BT (British Telephone) is in the midst of a kerfuffle because they did collect "personal information" by recording the addresses of the sites INDIVIDUAL subscribers were visiting.

said by ultracat :

For those looking for a link to read:
»www.privcom.gc.ca/information/02···08_e.asp

btw - this would be a GREAT letter writing campaign to conduct against Bell. Imagine if Bell had to all of a sudden handle 21,000 or whatever written requests for privacy disclosures!

said by root9 :

Correction:

Bell has NO legitimate case to throttle via DPI [deep packet inspection] due to Canadian privacy laws and other related laws unless it's a direct attack on their servers or equipment. Neither does any ISP in Canada. It's called self-defense for ISP only.

This is why Rogers moved their email and homepages to USA and to get around these laws. It's why Bell uses MSN as email partner. And so they can watch users private communications.

Users can request such DPI protection from an ISP "in writing". Answer from ISP must be in writing as well. It can not be a part of User Agreement or initial contract.

As a user or person living in Canada you must be notified in writing that such may be taking place by any company. Unless there is a warrant signed by a judge with damn good reason to do so.

You have the right to request any and all information being gathered by any company. This includes their partners or resellers. They must provide it! Same as you have the right to visit Hydro-1 Power company and request information pertaining to you. You then have the choice of wiping such information from any and all records of said company.

I suggest that all Indie ISP's and users request this information in full, make a full copy and or have it wiped.

It is up to the user to provide their own protection. In cases where offered a user may request protection by or from ISP.

Thank You,
Senior Network & Systems Analyst

said by root9 :

Correction:

Bell has NO legitimate case to throttle via DPI [deep packet inspection] due to Canadian privacy laws and other related laws unless it's a direct attack on their servers or equipment. Neither does any ISP in Canada.

Users can request such DPI protection from an ISP "in writing". Answer from ISP must be in writing as well.

As a user or person living in Canada you must be notified in writing that such may be taking place by any company.

You have the right to request any and all information being gathered by any company.

said by velcomrob :

I understand your concern Chrish and we are as much peeved off as anyone. I can only see one reason they're doing this, loss of customers.

We are working with several ISP's to try to come to a resolution on this matter as quickly as possible. We can't divulge to much information at this point (legal stuff).

But if worse comes to worse we will work very hard to find a way around this problem. First off Bell shouldn't be looking at our packets (data transfer) that occurs over our network. We have several scenarios we will pressure Bell. But in the end if they want to do child's play then be it. We ill possibly create some sort of application that sits on the clients side PC and that sits in the middle of our network that will scramble packets as they are sent to your side. The application will decompress the packet and thus rendering Bell's traffic shaper useless. I'm not 100% sure it can be done yet but we are investigating different possibilities. We are speaking to our developers about it.

The only limitation in this is data being transfered out to a recipient won't be encrypted. But your download speeds shouldn't be affected.

Let's hope its doable.

Again data being transferred our our network is private, so we will keep it private.