vaxvms
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March 28th, @07:08PM
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Re: Friday Night
What speed? 78, 45, 33 1/3 or 16?
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|  said by vaxvms  :What speed? 78, 45, 33 1/3 or 16? Did you ever wonder who decided that it had to be 33 & 1/3??..why not just 33??...There probably is a story...maybe a good one for Friday night!!! 
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Meh37
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16 (and 2/3)? For music? Were there such beasts? |
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birdfeedr
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March 28th, @08:30PM
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said by backfeed :Did you ever wonder who decided that it had to be 33 & 1/3??..why not just 33??...There probably is a story...maybe a good one for Friday night!!! This is why wikipedia is my next favorite source to google. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramophone_record
33 1/3 was probably determined by an engineer who had to balance the physical characteristics of recording and playing back a vinyl disk with the desired sound characteristics. Remember the velocity of the medium is faster in the center than the edge.
Too fast in the center and the needle would jump the groove or have to track heavier with more wear. Too slow on the outside and you would lose the higher frequency characteristics in the recording.
The 16 2/3 were very slow, only good for spoken word recordings.
Added: from the wiki: ..."frequencies as low as about 0.5 Hz (the frequency at which a 33+1/3 rpm record turns on the turntable)". It's definitely a calculation. 0.4998 Hz at 33 rpm is not nearly as elegant.  |
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Meh37
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| said by birdfeedr : Remember the velocity of the medium is faster in the center than the edge. Actually, it's the reverse. An LP spins with a constant angular velocity (RPM remains a constant 33 1/3), so the outer edge moves faster than that near the center. The linear velocity decreases as the needle moves from the edge to the center. |
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MrMoody
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| said by Meh37 :
Actually, it's the reverse. An LP spins with a constant angular velocity (RPM remains a constant 33 1/3), so the outer edge moves faster than that near the center. The linear velocity decreases as the needle moves from the edge to the center. Right, and a good example of why Wikipedia is not an authority.
33-1/3 was chosen originally to make 1 inch of grooves at 100 grooves per inch (the effective pitch of the screw driving the recording needle times the gearing) take exactly 3 minutes. At exactly 1.8 seconds per revolution, it's also exactly 108 cycles per revolution at 60 Hz and 90 cycles per revolution at 50 Hz which may have had something to do with the choice as well. It was designed in the 1920s for film soundtracks, and the exact power frequency multiple might have made it easier to adjust the speed in both Europe and the States.
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birdfeedr
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| said by MrMoody :Right, and a good example of why Wikipedia is not an authority. 33-1/3 was chosen originally to make 1 inch of grooves at 100 grooves per inch (the effective pitch of the screw driving the recording needle times the gearing) take exactly 3 minutes. At exactly 1.8 seconds per revolution, it's also exactly 108 cycles per revolution at 60 Hz and 90 cycles per revolution at 50 Hz which may have had something to do with the choice as well. It was designed in the 1920s for film soundtracks, and the exact power frequency multiple might have made it easier to adjust the speed in both Europe and the States. Wikipedia isn't an authority, but I like it for it's fair presentation, and the fact that it continues to evolve.
Except for the quote (which was not in the proper context for this discussion) in my original post, all the rest was my own thoughts re: the physics of recording and playback, and why the 33-1/3 was originally chosen. I got the relative velocities backwards, not the wiki.
Your explanation makes more sense, and it's why I will treat it as authoritative, until something more authoritative comes along.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. |
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