elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
join:2006-08-30
Toronto, ON
| reply to TakeTheFifth
Re: Official Response...
said by TakeTheFifth  :said by jfmezei :>Regular Videotron service isn't throttled either, just >capped. Which is why Bell will delay as much as possible introduction of its "new and improved" throttled service to areas served by Videotron. (and why Ontario is being throttled first.) And if Bell keeps this up, DSL will lose the battle to cable. Phil Cable is a disaster, and absolutely no different then the DSl services, when it comes to DPI, throttling , not to mention Ted wanting to meter your connection |
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elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
join:2006-08-30
Toronto, ON
| reply to Arbalister
said by Arbalister :said by jpabboud :Can someone ask Bell why they would limit wholesalers when these guys are using their own bandwidth to begin with ? Or are they talking about the bandwidth on their internal net between the DSLAMS and Bell's internal network. What they are affecting is the 'last mile' bandwidth - the route through the Bell ATM cloud that links the end user to their ISP. Really, honestly, they're not filtering the internet at all. They are filtering what people bring in from the internet, onto Bells private network. This is what's so wrong about it - companies like TSI have leased specific amounts of bandwidth in that cloud. For all intents, they own it. Its just like when you rent a house - for all intents, you own it. Even the landlord needs to provide you written notice when he's going to set foot in it. The landlord is expect to maintain it, but if he ever told you that you can't have pizza delivered anymore, you'd laugh at him. Bell just told us we can't have Pizza delivered. Thats the best analogy I've seen yet with regards to this B.S. Thats the message that should be sent out there not the BT, DPI P2P etc story. It's too complicated for the average Joe. |
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Omr
join:2004-01-10
M1S-1B3 | reply to R0CKY
With the seemingly exponential growth of the net, I would be surprised if we don't reach this critical mass within 2 years ... what are ISP's doing about this, you can't stretch an old model for decades. |
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elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
join:2006-08-30
Toronto, ON
| reply to Antonin
said by Antonin :You don't run a successful business by neglecting to plan. Bell has clearly demonstrated (hell, they've admitted it) that they fell down when it comes to planning. Also, by not informing their "resellers" in advance (even under non-disclosure, if necessary) they've clearly demonstrated that they don't trust anyone. Not to defend what they've done, but I don't think it's a matter of planning. They are no longer willing to invest in the infrastructure. They used the old dial up analogy (15-1, 20-1 customers to modems), now they've reached a point in which the ratio is so out of whack they've had to resort to other ways to insure that they ratio doesn't get even further out of whack. So lets throttle, lets cap, lets meter (shudder), that will buy us what? Another 5-10 years on our current systems.
The real question is after all this has been implemented and we are now that 5-10 years down the road.. now what? |
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elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
join:2006-08-30
Toronto, ON | reply to aver
the only reason Sabia got a "bonus" is he managed to flog the company to the Teachers Pension Fund. |
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Yonsil
join:2008-02-21
Fort Erie, ON
 ·Cogeco Cable
 ·Bell Sympatico
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to ShadPTR
said by ShadPTR :said by DjEclipse :
I don't know about gaming, but it's worth the switch to Teksavvy just for the price alone. And any new customer they get is help in the fight against Bell.
Yes, that's just worth it in itself.  agree 
I mean, my family [like 8 people] would be paying $300 per month with Bell! |
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ShadPTR
join:2008-01-23
Markham, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
1 edit | reply to DjEclipse
said by DjEclipse :
I don't know about gaming, but it's worth the switch to Teksavvy just for the price alone. And any new customer they get is help in the fight against Bell.
Yes, that's just worth it in itself. |
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Stewy
Premium
join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON | reply to R0CKY
for all Canadian internet users
wow, now they are the Gatekeepers for the entire Internet for Canada and all for my own good. |
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DjEclipse
join:2007-11-20
Niagara Falls, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to mrseldowski
said by mrseldowski :Hey has anyone had problems with online gaming? High pings etc. ? I'm moving back to Waterloo for school in the summer and I know some people in the house I am moving into. They are using Bell Sympatico and apparently they get really high ping when playing games. I am not looking forward to that  Also if they change to TekSavvy would that at all effect the problem they are having? I know they throttle torrents but how would that affect online gaming ping? Teksavvy does not throttle torrents, Bell throttles Teksavvy's users.
I don't know about gaming, but it's worth the switch to Teksavvy just for the price alone. And any new customer they get is help in the fight against Bell. |
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mrseldowski
join:2008-04-15
Mississauga, ON
1 edit | reply to R0CKY
Hey has anyone had problems with online gaming? High pings etc. ? I'm moving back to Waterloo for school in the summer and I know some people in the house I am moving into. They are using Bell Sympatico and apparently they get really high ping when playing games. I am not looking forward to that
Also if they change to TekSavvy would that at all effect the problem they are having? I know they throttle torrents but how would that affect online gaming ping? |
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gurn
@rogers.com
| reply to cacruden
unlimited refers to bandwidth per month. the limited advertisement your requesting is the 200 gig per month teksavy offers. teksavy is truthfully advertising its unlimited correctly.
They cant advertise what bell is doing for, what i would imagine is legal reasons. when/if this goes to court and teksavy is shown to advertise a throttled service, bells defense could argue that they excepted what bell was doing. Plus advertising throttled would not be true on the entire area, remember the west coast customers.
Your just going to have to accept your lines throttled atm, and teksavy did not plan or support that change. |
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cacruden
join:2008-03-18
Toronto, ON | reply to R0CKY
I would just like to see them have to change the packaging names.... something like "Limited or Restricted Hi-speed" which would be more accurate - since it is limited. |
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rcomputer
join:2004-11-03
Milton, ON | reply to R0CKY
The Bell adverts stating "Never shared" for DSL suggested to me that I could never impact their customers by my actions. Perhaps those adverts mis-stated something?? |
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Ottawa DSL user
@cybersurf.com
| reply to R0CKY
ADSL2+ and the need to throttle?
How can Bell say that they need to throttle traffic when ADSL2+ has already started rolling out in some of their markets?
Could someone with some technical knowledge comment on this question? Why would anyone ever need ADSL2+ speeds for web surfing and e-mail? |
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MadScrewedByBell
@teksavvy.com
| reply to R0CKY
Re: Official Response...
1. When you accept a CAP, throttling is double-dipping and abusive. Give me a porsche with 10L of gas; I know what I am getting into. Change this to a porsche with 10L of gas and a speed limit of 30KM/h, this is total ass-raping.
2. This is simply not acceptable, I don't care if they lower the cap, but DO NOT TOUCH THE FREAKING BANDWIDTH. People who don't notice that the line goes from 500K/s down to 100K/s are exactly the same people that are not using P2P and other applications in the first place, so "Customer satisfaction" is kind of a lame argument at this point.
3. You sell HIGH SPEED, yer you deliver barely above-dialup speed. if you don't accept p2p on your network AFTER they subscribe and accepted the previous TOS, you refund everybody PLUS cover the expenses of switching network and lost time. Not talking about teksavvy here; they have a legitimate business going with LIMITS that people accepted upon signing, changing the rules of the game without prior notice is bullying at best, doing that to your business partners is SCREWING them solid.
There are so many angles to fight this (deceptive advertising, deceptive business practice, monopolistic begaviour, etc... makes it hard to choose which angle is the best... |
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DarkStar33
join:2008-03-27
Toronto, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to juggy
The congestion in TO is non-existent. I would fire up any game or xbl and would consistently pull very low latency connections from 5pm to 1am.
However since I am about a block from Yonge street I assume a big fat fiber line rights straight down it to Front street. |
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juggy
@bell.ca
| reply to R0CKY
does the different routing types get around this or would both type of service routing be the same??
This service is intended as a two-tiered option where you can go DSL Unlimited over Cogent (5ms to 15ms more latency) or if you prefer a premium option, DSL over Peer1 (premium routing). |
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andyb
Premium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to dan989
They dont.They made set times and call them peak times.If your CO doesnt even have another subscriber besides yourself it will be peak time and you get throttled for the so far imaginary congestion.I could give 2 shits if TO has congestion.I dont live there.To throttle the entire thing is BS. |
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dan989
@teksavvy.com
| reply to R0CKY
Maybe I don't understand how the systems work or something..
but what I don't understand the most is, if speed is such an issue overall during peak hours. Why don't they just drop overall speeds of everyone by like 5 - 10%.. that would surely free up plenty of bandwidth and people wouldn't be complaining so much.
Also, this peak hour crap is a lie, I was on sympatico for a long time, switched because they screwed me for different reasons, but.. like clockwork, regardless of time or day, it would drop to 30Kbps. I refuse to believe that they have the EXACT same amount of traffic during the Tuesday night at 1 A.M. as they do Saturday at 1 A.M. |
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andyb
Premium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to Maynard G Krebs
Not you but alot of people seem to think of TS as a bottomless pit of money.They have sunk fortunes into dsl.They cant just go and jump on a different delivery platform.It's not practical untill this is resolved and as they make some more they reinvest in other aspects of delivery. |
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