said by TSI Gabe :

the colored flow traffics are actually stacked. In other words UDP uses the most traffic, then Web, then P2P.

So there is more Web traffic on our network then P2P. Yet as you can see from the graphs, Bell does not only throttle P2P. It's affecting everything else.

said by twizlar :

Yeah thats what amazed me, everything is pretty much being modified, hence all the traffic spikes. Scary.

said by Name96 :

What's all that undifferentiated UDP traffic, anyway?

said by TheMG :

My guess would be gaming that is not being detected as gaming, VoIP, and other streaming/real-time media.

said by TSI Gabe :

DNS uses UDP

said by TSI Gabe :

It's a netflow graph. Only a certain percentage of the data is collected. But it still represents a global view of the network.

said by BozoTheCl0wn :

I wouldn't trust it's P2P classification because BT/P2P apps tend to use ports all over the place... That's why they rely on DPI now because it goes further than just ports and looks at payload signatures to identify applications.

said by the cerberus :

Gabe, thats what I was about to ask, considering users that are maxing their torrents, most of them are using private trackers that block common p2p ports such as 6881-6889. I know If I'm helping someone set up port forwarding I never use these ports simply because some trackers block them. So, is this true? does it only look at port numbers? If so i'd say this graph is trash.

said by Snickerdo :

Even if you combine all UDP traffic and all P2P traffic on those graphs, you're still at 50%, not 70-90% like Bell has tried to claim in the past.

said by Snickerdo :

Even if you combine all UDP traffic and all P2P traffic on those graphs, you're still at 50%, not 70-90% like Bell has tried to claim in the past.

said by Name96 :

Torrent data transfers use TCP, not UDP.

said by BozoTheCl0wn :

Sampled Netflow is pretty common but your graphing applications should be adjusted according to the sample rate you are using if you want the traffic levels to be more representative of reality. Also, Netflow is pretty lousy at identifying applications because it only knows about ports. I wouldn't trust it's P2P classification because BT/P2P apps tend to use ports all over the place... That's why they rely on DPI now because it goes further than just ports and looks at payload signatures to identify applications.

said by qweloo :

This needs to go to the media (CBC, Globe and Mail, etc)

and also to the lawyers as evidence.

said by hehehehe :

Things here seem to hit the media pretty damn quick as of late.

said by sMURF :

So... Bell has effectively crippled your entire network? Wow, eat shit Bell.

said by darcmage :

Could someone clarify how Bell can continue to say only p2p will be affected by the throttling and quote the 70%-80% bandwidth figures without lying.

said by Name96 :

The only way they can continue to say it without lying is if they don't know what traffic is going over their network. This would merely mean that they're incompetent rather than dishonest.

said by darcmage :

Could someone clarify how Bell can continue to say only p2p will be affected by the throttling and quote the 70%-80% bandwidth figures without lying.

said by cacruden :



In the end, most traffic is P2P - so no Bell is not lying.... Personally I rarely use broadcast functions....

said by ultracat :

It's the scale I think. That's a typical effect when comparing to similar graphs at different scales.