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DavisPhotog
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Petition to boycott Creative!

Not sure if everyone has heard about this whole deal with Creative and their acts against a volunteer coder who they're now threatening with legal action, but check it out:

»boycottcreative.com/

And the petition, if you're convinced:
»www.petitionspot.com/petitions/B···Creative
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Re: Petition to boycott Creative!

Also, if you can, please digg the protest website:
»digg.com/tech_news/Site_launched···_actions

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Because of the crap creative is pulling I can honestly say I will never buy another creative product again. Shame on them. Great way to force people into purchasing new products by refusing to release suitable drivers for newer os

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newegg has sent the creative forum a letter saying that they are dropping the products related to this as for now until something changes!!! Yay!

Creative ripped me off, refusing to honor warranty and refusing to give tech support after only one month!!!

EVERYONE: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE go to the link and DIGG IT!!! It's time for us to fight back.

Creative refused to honor a warranty with me once and told me to take my business elsewhere, and, mind you, I was being very pleasant with the tech rep on the phone. When I reported that they did this to me, I was banned in their forums for saying it happened. Then they told me that my one month of tech support was over!!!

BOYCOTT CREATIVE LABS!!! Don't buy anything from them, and please, Digg it!!!
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Re: Petition to boycott Creative!

said by signmeuptoo See Profile :

newegg has sent the creative forum a letter saying that they are dropping the products related to this as for now until something changes!!! Yay!
Do you have a link to that post? The thread is over 100 pages now

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Re: Petition to boycott Creative!

Don't be lazy, if I had to go to page 117, you can do it too. Yes, I know their site is a PITA to use, there is now way to navigate to the last post or navigate anywhere quickly, but please don't make me have to go through that again, please do it yourself, ok?
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You are dreaming if you actually believe that was an offical post from Newegg! I have a bridge to sell you if you are interested?

said by signmeuptoo See Profile :

newegg has sent the creative forum a letter saying that they are dropping the products related to this as for now until something changes!!! Yay!
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Re: Petition to boycott Creative!

I had Mic problems with 2 Creative Soundcards, that's when i used the mic alot, anyways i'd go to use it, and it didn't work, i'd call Tech support, and they would refuse to help, finally called again, and demanded some help, even lied and said it was not past 90 day purchase, of course they still wouldn't help, first card it happened on was an SB Audigy 2 Platinum, Second Card SB Live 24 card.

What i never understood is why a Mic port went, when i wasn't using it every minute, but i swear had the mic plugged into right port, had it unmuted, and it still wouldn't work in any program. That's when i stopped buying Creative soundcards, been using Onboard sound for months. I posted countless messages in there forums, and didn't get any help. Infact let me goto there forum at there site, and see if i can find one of my old posts, which i'll copy and post here(or a little of it)

"HEY

Mic won't work in rear or front of my Audigy 2 Platinum, what in the world am I suppose to do to get it working huh? I want it working as soon as possible, or I want a check for $500 dollars to cover the cost of a new PC case so I can use my Onboard sound, and junk this Piece of Junk, if I have to I will call Creative support daily until I get something done about this.

I WANT MY MIC WORKING AS SOON AS POSSIBlE, DO YOU HEAR ME. SOMEONE REPLY__URGENT--wanted to make something for Girlfriend, and I don't have much time to do that, but I want my mic working as soon as possible, or this will be a problem that you'll never hear the end of, I swear, I will keep it up daily until I get this problem fixed I guarantee it."

Creative Forum Response:
"Bikeman,

Normally I would suggest contacting support for an RMA at this point, as it sounds like you card itself has a problem (that or you have a hardware conflict that has a symptom that I haven't seen before); however you sound intent on using onboard audio so I suppose that isn't an option you are considering.

Since you had already decided that you weren't going to work with the Audigy 2, I don't understand why you would make this post with the threat to keep coming back until the problem was solved. If you have no intention of trying to solve it, then it would seem kind of a pointless request. Still, my suggestion is to contact support to get an RMA for the card.

Jeremy

Forum Expert"

I sure had a temper then with Creative lol

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Yes it is a fake...and the rebates on newegg.com are not new. They predate this fiasco Creative has brought upon themselves. The truth should be able to stand on its own merits without all the "embellishment". In fact it removes focus on the real problem, so I suggest if you are going to post something questionable...back it up or dont repeat it

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said by anon666 :

You are dreaming if you actually believe that was an offical post from Newegg! I have a bridge to sell you if you are interested?

said by signmeuptoo See Profile :

newegg has sent the creative forum a letter saying that they are dropping the products related to this as for now until something changes!!! Yay!
just ridiculous to believe and point to this letter....
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Re: Petition to boycott Creative!

koam, get off this already!

Who freaking cares if it is fake? Seriously! The real crime is Creative lieing to sell product. "Vista Ready" my arse!

Creative Labs, for years, has lied to pad sales, such as claim false crap about what their sound cards can do with things such as MP3 compressed audio. And they have been getting away with such snake oil salesmanship crap.

Just let this go, the real issue is Creative's shameful treatment!!!
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Re: Petition to boycott Creative!

What Company refuses to provide Tech support if a product is more than 90 days old(Phone support), ridiciolous in my mind, as well as mic ports dieing on the card that haven't had for a long time, as well as Software problems, driver problems.

I'd even jump for joy Microsoft buying Creative out, or any company, Creative is shameless, lying to pad sales, among other things, forum support not helpful at all(Creative). Microsoft sure doesn't treat customers like Creative does, and i don't know of any other company that does, Still have the mic i was using when the mic port went on those 2 former Creative cards, well it works fine these days.

Newegg PR

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It has come to our attention that a recent post on the site claimed Newegg had severed its relationship with Creative. This is a false statement and was not issued by an entity authorized to speak on behalf of newegg.com. Newegg does not and will not comment on product quality or provide product reviews. For this we count on you, our customers, and our online forums like EggXpert.

Please disregard the blog entry and all references to the information it contains.
Thank you and apologies for any inconvenience caused.

Sincerely:
Newegg PR

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»forums.creative.com/creativelabs···page=118

The >> goes to the last page.

Seems to just be a fake though to me.
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Re: Petition to boycott Creative!

Yeah, too many typos, and not signed by an individual. It's going to do more harm than good.
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DavisPhotog
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Re: Petition to boycott Creative!

Someone already started a petition that's gotten some signatures:
»www.petitiononline.com/crtvlabs/···ion.html

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Re: Petition to boycott Creative!

said by DavisPhotog See Profile :

Someone already started a petition that's gotten some signatures:
»www.petitiononline.com/crtvlabs/···ion.html
I see repeated names on there.

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LOL!

That website is being blocked by my HOSTS file.
»www.petitionspot.com/petitions/B···Creative
Blocked: www.petitionspot.com
I'll take a pass on bypassing my HOSTS and attempting access for now.

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Creative owns the software and individuals don't have the right to modify it and then distribute Creative's property, modified to others.

DavisPhotog
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Re: Petition to boycott Creative!

But what about them condoning it and then telling him he can't do it anymore?

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Re: Petition to boycott Creative!

He was soliciting and collecting donations for modifying Creative's property and also enabling Creative's software to run on non-Creative hardware...both against the specific direction of Creative?
He should be locked up.

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Re: Petition to boycott Creative!

said by koam See Profile :

He was soliciting and collecting donations for modifying Creative's property and also enabling Creative's software to run on non-Creative hardware...both against the specific direction of Creative?
He should be locked up.
Dude, WRONG!!! It WASN'T THEIR SOFTWARE. THEY PROVIDED OPEN SOURCE INFORMATION THAT HE USED TO WRITE **HIS OWN*** STUFF WITH!!!

And, furthermore, they condoned him doing so for weeks, months, and did so with Audigy stuff too, because they are too f'ing lazy and stupid to produce a software themselves that DELIVERS WHAT THEY ADVERTISE RIGHT ON THE BOX!!!

He did NOTHING WRONG. Get real!
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said by koam See Profile :

Creative owns the software and individuals don't have the right to modify it and then distribute Creative's property, modified to others.
I agree if the person did something he wasn't suppose to do then the guy should be shunned. You never said if Creative is in the wrong. If Creative misrepresents what they are selling, that would be considered deception and fraud. Creative is taking customers money on those points.

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Re: Petition to boycott Creative!

The OP is about the person who modified and sold the code.

You wanna complain about the products, start a new thread and a new petition.

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I have not bought any Creative product since my Awe32 sound card and especially since they sued Aureal out of business.
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So what exactly is the problem? I'll buy more of their stuff now.

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Yeah, fake, but what will newegg do when they get wind of this. They might actually cringe and back off from Creative some. Though OTOH, Creative still sells horrible power supplies along with good ones, and they don't seem to care about the grief they get from that, either. It's one reason I don't shop much from newegg now...
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Re: Petition to boycott Creative!

Creative actually wanted me to pay to RMA my soundcard when it developed mic problem..

"Seems this is a huge problem, Creative seems like won't stand behind it's products and fix the problems. I even called there support number, and they said well only thing can do is RMA it for $43.40. Hello i didn't cause this problem, the card did

Creative get off your behinds, and HELP USERS FIX THESE PROBLEMS, OR RECALL THE CARDS that are having this problem"

If I had money, i would've done something years ago on Creative

jon222

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I was reading a bunch of threads and websites to figure out what exactly this Daniel guy did, what he may have stolen, and why Creative was angry, and what products does this really affect and I found the fake newegg post. This was so funny. Have a good laugh:

Originally Posted by Newegg
To Whom it May Concern:

While it is not our place to condemn the decisions of Creative regarding this issue, our customers come first. That being said, it has come to our attention that many of our customers are not happy with the products Creative has released nor the support for those products. To wit, we have processed nearly 5,000 return orders within the past 48 hours. While it is not normally in our best interest to publically comment in a manufacturer's forum, the overwhelming concensus has left us little choice. As such, effective tommorow morning newegg.com will suspend sales of the sound cards in question, particularly those indicated as "Vista compatible", pending an investigation into the matter. Those of you whom recently ordered such a card will still recieve your product as indicated in any relevant conversations. While we regret this abrupt decision, it has been deemed neccessary to protect the interest of our consumers. We welcome contact from Creative as soon as is possible so that we may resolve this issue.

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Re: Petition to boycott Creative!

Right. the original site and this newegg letter were written by the same angry illiterate. and these people believe both of them.

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Boy, talk about a bad PR move on CL's part. While I agree the Modder shouldn't have asked for donations, Creative should have hired him on the spot anyway.

This should most definitly be on the front page!

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Re: Petition to boycott Creative!

said by XPAMD See Profile :

Boy, talk about a bad PR move on CL's part. While I agree the Modder shouldn't have asked for donations, Creative should have hired him on the spot anyway.

This should most definitly be on the front page!
You miss the point, Creative don't want him fixing the drivers (they could fix them easily in a day or so). They want people to ditch their old stuff and buy new. Thats what they are p*ssed at!
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This is hilarious. It really is. Boycott Creative only now? I've been doing this for years. Ever since the SB Live, Creative has been (and produced) absolute garbage.
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This is great, Ive been boycotting Creative for a while now due to their shoddy drivers and lack of support. I really hope they go under.
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hmm...creative product fan here...my only experience with creative has been the creative mp3s. They definitely sound better than ipods and many other mp3 players, and I have always believed that creative has been in business to creating sound devices before any other companies started making mp3 players.

I will wait to hear an official statement from the corporation before I support any campaign to boycott such a company.

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Up until this fiasco I had no idea Creative was still in business!

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Something interesting about Creative that I didn't know:

Apparently they don't give reviewers/review hardware for evaluation. Instead, they force reviewers to go out and purchase the retail product.

For how "image-oriented" Creative is as a company, I'd expect the exact opposite. Pretty weird...
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Re: Petition to boycott Creative!

said by koitsu See Profile :

Something interesting about Creative that I didn't know:

Apparently they don't give reviewers/review hardware for evaluation. Instead, they force reviewers to go out and purchase the retail product.

For how "image-oriented" Creative is as a company, I'd expect the exact opposite. Pretty weird...
Most credible reviewers do that anyway (and refuse to accept products for review directly from companies) to be sure they're getting the same product available to consumers.
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this is hilarious.first they charge for vista driver support with a2 and older cards.now they pull the rug out from under a gent trying to help users regain functionality.sure he shouldnt have asked for donations but lets be real here.how often do people actually donate to aftermarket driver developers?right,never lol.so how deep did he cut into creatives bottom line after all?hell even if he kept users from upgrading they chose to let him do it for how long?a year?two?cmon...
btw if im not mistaken creative has been losing money for a looooongtime.ipod anyone?
burn baby burn

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wait wtf.. Newegg is going to drop creative just because of a coder?

Is it that serious?

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My apologies to group for posting the false letter from newegg. I wanted to post it faster than examine it carefully. My intent was NOT to cause anyone grief.
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