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Re: Chokepoint is always the local infrastructure ...
said by TKJunkMail  :.... and allowing ANYONE(including their competitors) to send unthrottled data would adversely affect all users on the local infrastructure. IF THEY HAVE to throttle, they are doing it in the right spot where it affects all providers equally. No, this is DSL. There is no bottleneck anywhere. No customers are affected by the behaviors of the others.
The throttling helps Bell control gateway bandwidth costs to their transit providers. The wholesalers pay for their own bandwidth, so it doesn't impact Bell at all.
The only thing Bell sees is that it is bleeding retail ISP customers to its wholesalers.
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Jodokast96
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| said by funchords :No, this is DSL. There is no bottleneck anywhere. No customers are affected by the behaviors of the others. Not true at all. All of those customers eventually come together in the CO, and if it doesn't have enough bandwidth to handle all of them, there will be slowdowns. Just take a look at the Verizon DSL forum here, it's loaded with threads about just that, especially in NYC. | |
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| said by Jodokast96 :said by funchords :No, this is DSL. There is no bottleneck anywhere. No customers are affected by the behaviors of the others. Not true at all. All of those customers eventually come together in the CO, and if it doesn't have enough bandwidth to handle all of them, there will be slowdowns. Just take a look at the Verizon DSL forum here, it's loaded with threads about just that, especially in NYC. So you're saying that DSL is a sharing line like cable? If so, you're on a wrong path because customers with DSL services have a dedicated line. If your DSL providers sets you for example for a profile of 5056/800, you'll have for all time a steady connection. Your line profile will be in most of the case a little less ( speedtest 5056/800 is about in reality 46xx/6xx ) This is normal because profiles are calculated on an optimal state and it's impossible to have a clean line. Perfection does not exist sadly.
For throtling, If you are not happy with a 30 kbits/s upload, then don't have an internet connection at all. With all the peers on your illegal network, your 30 kbits is not a problem.
The real problems are P2P clients who only try to cook your brain with the "simili" important upload speed.
HEY WAKE UP!!! Millions of users at 30 kbits, considering at least 20% have complete files and share... It'is not enough ???
And also, your internet connection is not built for upstreaming at all. If you check in your service contract, a residential line is not a server. It's illegal to run a server when subscribed on a home plan.
You are lucky to even have the right to run a P2P client because it's the same thing as running a mini server, because of constant upload/download streaming. And running a server from your home is ILLEGAL.
Considering this, ISP's could only cut off the switch and have a great 0 Kbits transfer rate. You'll be very happy I think.
So please... Think about it a little | |
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join:2005-04-08
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4 edits | hahaha , it would have to be a Bell Techie to come up with that crap.
funchords is right and bell_tech is wrong 
... with server capable OS's each PC becomes a server as soon as it connects to Our Internet [the users] 
and to boot Mr/Ms "bell_tech" it's a good idea YOU read the laws and regulations please ... because Bell, Rogers and other agreements and EUA's don't hold water in court of law!
Only some are listed here: »www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2811/125/
Furthermore: Canadian inferstructure can handle 12 Mbps dlwds and 3.5 Mbps uplds for ALL Canadian users at same time 24/7 All year long. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric···ber_Line ,, The actual lines can handle 25 Mbps dwlds and 21 Mbps uplds. With changing to better modems these user speeds can go up to 17 Mbps dwlds and 12 Mbps uplds.
There are many households living in the courty [out of town] while live security video is fed at full speeds to their offices in cities. That's usually 3 to 12 cameras, all done over DSL or cable.
Actually with all that Black Fiber [unused fiber] just sitting there Canadian Internet is ready for 10 times the users, bandwith and present limits. This means every household can have fiber at LESS than DSL/cable rates of $25 [the more you use the cheaper it gets].
The problem is Bell is too lazy to fix last mile copper directly to DSL modem as required by regulations and to boot is forcing their other warez [in my opinion: crap!] on same lines to drive competition away.
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said by jsmaster :So you're saying that DSL is a sharing line like cable? If so, you're on a wrong path because customers with DSL services have a dedicated line. If your DSL providers sets you for example for a profile of 5056/800, you'll have for all time a steady connection. Your line profile will be in most of the case a little less ( speedtest 5056/800 is about in reality 46xx/6xx ) This is normal because profiles are calculated on an optimal state and it's impossible to have a clean line. Perfection does not exist sadly. Yeah, you may have a dedicated line with DSL, and yeah, you may even sync at your correct rate, but that still doesn't mean the bottleneck in the CO doesn't exist. So instead of at the node on a cable connection, it's further up the line with DSL. No matter what type of network you are on, there is the potential for a bottleneck anywhere users come together. Whether it's overloaded routers or too little bandwidth at the node/CO, the potential is there. | |
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